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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by wrycoder »

dakiol wrote: post #277
guille_ wrote: post #251

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Not every culture can integrate, not every culture is a step "forward". Also, your examples are quite weak 1. Paganism was not doing too well by the time Christianity became official. 2. Belgium is a joke country (sorry!) that still has a divided population based on the language they speak. Hardly a success case. 3. Americans speaking Spanish also resulted in losing native languages and cultures. It might be okay to…

I don’t know man. This idea of certain cultures being so distant that they cannot be integrated with others sounds a bit alien to me. If anything, we (all the different cultures in this planet) are the result of a vast amount of mixing over the centuries. We probably don’t notice it anymore (proof that the mix has worked wonders) and we think we all are so good because “our” culture, “our” values. I mean, if somethin…

The problem occurs when the newcomers adopt a haughty, colonialist attitude and yet have little to offer to their hosts.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by labrador »

pton_xd wrote: post #172
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

> the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. Explain how unskilled illegal immigrants contribute to our success. I'm open minded but I've yet to hear anything convincing. No one is opposed to the legal immigration of skilled workers.

“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” ― Stephen Jay Gould

If you believe that quote as I do then unskilled laborers can have intelligent children. Making to the United States is quite a test of endurance, flexability and competance so people who pass that filter are quite likely to be intelligent

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by hnpolicestate »

labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

What if *some* highly intelligent immigrants oppose American values? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. They may use their capital and ability to politically undermine our civil liberties.

Most people globally aren't used to the American interpretation of free speech or gun rights. I don't want people coming here using their talents to politically remove my rights. I think this is a fair point to make.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by broken_clock »

selfmodruntime wrote: post #260
apsec112 wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump supported a plan to reduce legal immigration by half: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/us/politics/trump-immigra...

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High-skill immigrants disproportionately found companies (whose very existence implies driving up demand in the labor market), as well as disproportionately induce new consumer demand (high-skill -> high pay -> high consumption), which again drives new companies.

Out of America (and the world's) only $1T companies: Brin and Huang are 1st gen immigrants. Nadella is a 1st gen immigrant; he brought Microsoft out of it's malaise.

(Jobs' bio father was an immigrant, as was Bezos' adoptive father)

3/5 ain't bad. (2/5 if you're a stickler)

Tesla, which at one point was a $T company and is currently pretty close, is also famously founded by an immigrant.

There are very few people in tech in America who will not have worked for an immigrant founder/CEO at some point in their career.

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Post by michaelhoney »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #284
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

What if * some* highly intelligent immigrants oppose American values? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. They may use their capital and ability to politically undermine our civil liberties. Most people globally aren't used to the American interpretation of free speech or gun rights. I don't want people coming here using their talents to politically remove my rights. I think this is a fair point to make.

the obsession with gun rights is doing your country far more harm than highly intelligent immigrants ever will

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by hackinthebochs »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #229
mensetmanusman wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Republicans are strongly anti-illegal immigration, and that appears anti-immigration to some.

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This is disingenuous. What the term illegal is referring to is unvetted. We could make all illegal immigrants legal at the stroke of a pen, but that's completely missing the point. We want immigration to be in service to the existing population. Giving a path to citizenship to anyone who has made it here no matter the means is just to torpedo the idea that immigration should be in service to the needs of the existing citizens.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by hnpolicestate »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #214
labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Republicans are strongly anti-illegal immigration, and that appears anti-immigration to some.

The grassroots of the Republican Party absolutely want a reduction in all immigration. Few actually in Congress though. I'm talking about voters.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by PentiumBug »

As a Cuban that is currently living in Cuba, I think it might be useful to voice my opinions, as I have read some comments here which I consider less than accurate in some respects. To avoid typing too much, I'll summarize with... bullet points?

* The published figure of 10 million people is already outdated. First, they are official figures, which means that they are not telling the truth. Second, six months have elapsed; which means the actual number of residents is less than 9 million.

* Not only a large amount of people are gone, but most of them are young, productive people; lots of them professionals in several critical aspects of a functioning society. Where I work I'm only one of the few that remains in my activity (IT & IT adjacent).

* Also gone are many of the more... reactive? brave? People that voiced discontent with the government and just chose to leave. What remains are relatively elderly people that are very conformist, or simple are not brave enough to voice their concerns.

* Is Cuba a dictatorship? No.

* Is Cuba a totalitarian state? Absolutely. The Cuban Communist Party is the only one allowed, as is written in the (relatively recent) Constitution. Even more than that, it exists above the Constitution, so this texts has no value at all.

* Are there human rights violations in Cuba? Yes, no doubt.

* Does the US embargo negatively impacts Cuba? Absolutely. Every single day, for the common people, that is. The elites? The top dogs of the Party? Of course they are unaffected; they are your run of the mill corrupt people in power, and they can have anything.

* Can Cuba trade with other countries? In theory, yes... in practice, it is very difficult. In addition, Cuba is a minuscule market that interests no one. China, for instance, has very little presence in Cuba, despite we being "allies". But they don't care.

I don't know how this could unfold in the future, except with a total collapse. I really wish the end of the embargo, and the possibility of open an free elections. We, common people, are at the mercy of US politics and being managed by inmensely incompetent leaders. We could debate all week on who's at fault here, who threw the first stone, but, as of this moment, that would be sterile. This country will be gone.

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