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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by drio0 »

basisword wrote: post #218
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

Is there a way to export all your passwords on a Windows PC, or from iPhone? I do not have a mac

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Post by xnyan »

squeegee_scream wrote: post #208
blawson wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1Password + Fastmail integration for generating masked email is also great. Plus a nice UI for handling OTP, notes, credit cards, IDs, bank accounts, etc, it's easily worth the annual price for me.

Omg yes! Fastmail + 1P is soooo good. 1P has an integration with privacy.com to create unique debit cards. With these 3 tools I have a unique email, pw, and debit card for each service. Makes me feel in control over my interaction with a service. Here’s my referral link for privacy if you’re interested https://privacy.com/join/JCPFN

> privacy.com

Love the service, the problem is they effectively charge a 1-5% commission to use it because you lose credit card loyalty/rewards programs benefits. Last year I got nearly 3% back, I think that's too high for the service. I don't think there's any way around it unfortunately, credit cards rewards are paid by the fees and interest of those who carry a balance.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by acdha »

drcongo wrote: post #142
ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

I'm only still on it because of team use, but if Apple's thing supports teams I'm gonna be so happy to get rid of it. I've been using it for nearly 20 years and it's been going down hill fast for the last 5, but 1Password 8 is an absolute clown car. It hijacks your passkey logins meaning that authenticating with Tailscale for me has gone from a single touch of the TouchID button on my Mac, to 1) click button that say…

The password sharing feature is pretty slick:

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/share-passwords-iphe6...

I’m with you on 1P. I bought every version starting in 2009, until the constant push to subscribe made me stop. The part their VCs should be afraid of is that switching took about 5 minutes (export + import) and the only change I noticed is that everything is faster. That moat is a trickle of water (I hope it’s water) and they’ve annoyed a lot of the people who used to be telling their friends and family to buy it.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by acdha »

maigret wrote: post #234
MrDarcy wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, I paid full price for the app. I attached many important documents such as my ID, SSN Card, my original birth cert, even the deed to my house. If I pass my wife knows where to get this info. When my son was born I went to add his birth cert and SSN. I couldn’t. The “attach file” button is still there but it simply doesn’t work any more. After hours of troubleshooting I finally found a discussion on their own…

Sad indeed but the days of 0 interest rates are gone. Plus, software engineers in many countries are now massively more expensive.

They have a PR department, don’t give your time bro bono to spin it for them. With as many customers as they have, they’re in no danger of not being able to pay developers.

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Post by mh- »

PlunderBunny wrote: post #210

I've never understood why there are some passwords that exist in the macOS keychain app that don't appear in the Passwords section of the macOS System Settings (I think the password for my WiFi hotspot is one of them). Can anyone explain this? Will the new Password app have 'everything' in it? I always end up looking in the Keychain app to be sure to find what I'm looking for, but I dislike that app because it often…

There are multiple different types of 'password' entries that can be stored in the Keychain. If you open a terminal and run `security -h`, you can see what I mean. Keychain Access.app is accessing the same database as this CLI tool.

I assume the Passwords section of System Settings is only pulling up a subset of these, but I haven't upgraded macOS on my personal laptop in a long time (I'm on 12.4), so can't verify easily.

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Post by nstart »

m_a_g wrote: post #145

I wasn’t expecting this much hate towards 1Password in the comments. I was using Google Passwords, then migrated to Apple, finally to 1P7 and now 1P8. It’s one of the best software I’ve ever used and I don’t know what I’d do without it. Same goes for Fastmail as well.

Likewise. I think they are making some weird and off putting choices around the enterprise but for consumer stuff (which is squarely where the apple passwords comparison sits I assume) it’s still a great piece of software honestly.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

WheatMillington wrote: post #237
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

>People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. This is EXACTLY what people want. Please remember that HN is not a cross section of the general public.

> Please remember that HN is not a cross section of the general public.

Yup. I need to constantly keep that in mind, when I’m designing my software.

Very often, the fact that I like it, is a negative.

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Post by sgarland »

cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login.

This is what OAuth attempts to do, and most users and devs I know like it.

I'm well aware of the risks of putting all eggs into one basket. I'm already doing it with 1Pass (albeit with external MFA for some sites), so I see no difference with letting Apple manage it.

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Post by sgarland »

e40 wrote: post #232
jen20 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The electron rewrite was a significant step backwards regardless of features and quality. I cannot wait to ditch 1P.

How was it a step backward? I have noticed zero downsides to 8 compared to the previous version. I'm comparing the current version to the last version 7 I used. This electron hate is such a headscratcher for me.

Generally speaking, Electron apps are larger and slower than their native cousins. I just checked on my M1 Mac, and between the Safari extension (which somehow consumes more memory than the app itself) the main app, and various helpers / renderers, it clocks in at 410 MB of RAM. I'll give you that it's also acting as an SSH Agent, but that still seems rather large for the functionality.

Personally, I noticed a slowdown in responsiveness immediately when switching from 7 to 8.

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