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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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How do you guys manage new versions? Updates have always been a PITA on iOS. There’s no way to charge for them.

they really don't. the last feature they released was support for the action button on the new iPhones, seven months ago

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Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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The original Matrix wasn't color graded like that! They only pushed the green levels in the subsequent home video release!

The original bluray release really went overboard to a jarring amount with that green. The original had some green but nothing to that level. Apparently the newer UHD release backed it down closer to the original.

Yeah, I recently watched a 4k scan of the Matrix taken from the original 35mm reels, it's a great time.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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post #261

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How do you guys manage new versions? Updates have always been a PITA on iOS. There’s no way to charge for them.

they really don't. the last feature they released was support for the action button on the new iPhones, seven months ago

Following the action button release, we added deferred processing support. It involved rewriting a bit of the capture pipeline, but significantly speeds up 48MP captures.

Following that, we had a series of bug fix updates while we worked out the next major update. It’s maybe 2/3 done, but we had to shelf it until after the Kino launch for external reasons.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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> These folks have a stellar reputation The name they've chosen for the app, Kino, is a bit weird to me. When I hear the word Kino, I immediately start to think about lighting as that's how people refer to lights from Kinoflo which gained popularity from their fluorescent lights in the years before LEDs took over.

Kino is German for "cinema" — maybe that is the origin of the name?

German, and Russian, and a few other languages...

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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That's how literally every application I ever purchased prior to 2008 worked...

Can you please give an example please as I never heard of this bs in my whole life

Without any malice or snide intent, I assume you must be under 25? Quickest example that comes to mind is every OS update to both Apple and Microsoft platforms until the former went free. Hell, iPhone OS 2 was a paid upgrade for iPod touch users.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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As a long time amateur photographer (using physical cameras and lenses), I have Halide (by the same company) on my iOS home screen for when I need to take a real phono on my iPhone. I use it all the time without issue. And would recommend it to any photographer. So I paid for Kino without hesitation. Just fired it up, set BNW grade, pressed record, and it immediately crashed. Tried again and it crashed again. Tried A…

Crashed on an SE

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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People should be paid to do something, rather than be paid for something they did.

What? I create something, and I shouldn't be able to sell it? What?

Software isn't a "thing" so there is nothing to sell. The only way to monetize software is to monetize the labor of writing it directly. When you "sell" "licenses" to software, you're just double, triple, N dipping on monetizing labor that already happened.

The alternative is charging to write software, which is actually how most people (employees) make money writing software. Corporations take advantage of the difference between paying people to write software, and charging people over and over again to use the same software that has already been written.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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I really appreciate that the app is just an up front price! I probably don't really need it but at that price and straightforwardness it's not really a big loss if I don't use it much so I grabbed it. I looked at the other apps and realized they had made Halide as well which I tried out for a bit, for some reason thought it was subscription only & decided I didn't want it that much while clearing out subscriptions, a…

They did the same thing with Hallide. Give enough time (1-2y) and they will charge a subscription from you and lock you away from the app you've purchased.

We have never, ever locked away Halide from people who already purchased it. If you bought Halide 1.0 in 2017, you can still use it today, with all the features you bought, without paying another penny.

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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> Am I wrong? I'm not into filming, so I might be. Yes, it's because you haven't seen raw log video before. It'll look very washed out when filming in log (and typically when previewing recent shots) but then in post-processing you'll actually tune the colors (called "color grading", in case you wanna seek out more about it).

> washed out when filming in log That's only because it's not viewed in the right color space? (I'm using color space in the ICC sense to also include the transfer function). For some reason video folks seem really intent on creating their own terms for everything that photographers already standardized with ICC. And to make things worse they decided to make the EOTF and OETF not be inverses of each other. Of course…

> That's only because it's not viewed in the right color space?

It's like that because it's the log encoding is not in a display-ready color space. Many modern cameras can apply LUT directly in the viewfinder though, so it's less of a nuisance today. In reality, it isn't an issue, just beginners get surprised when they see it the first time.

> For some reason video folks seem really intent on creating their own terms for everything

Which to me makes sense. If I'm looking for terms that can apply to many areas, it becomes harder to find the right thing. I much prefer separated terms than the approach than one term being used in many areas, so it gets easier to search and talk about.

> actually acknowledges that "log encoding" is just an alternative to gamma encoding

Not sure they are 100% alternatives though, but I'm much more familiar with log encoding than gamma encoding. As far as I understand, log encoding uses a logarithmic curve to capture a wide dynamic range, preserving detail in shadows and highlights for extensive post-production grading. In contrast, gamma encoding applies a non-linear curve that approximates human vision, producing footage with natural contrast and color suitable for immediate viewing and minimal post-processing.

But, I could also misunderstand the differences, and would be happy to be told otherwise :)

Re: Kino: Pro Video Camera

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post #187

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So then it objectively isn't "IAP subscriptionware cancer"..

Halide is $3 for a month, $12 for a year, or $60 for perpetual. $25-30 for perpetual would be reasonable. Kino costs $10 for perpetual, for reference.

Yes I'm aware of the prices. You not liking the price of an app doesn't make it "cancer". Personally I think the fact that they have found a model that works and that doesn't require releasing entire new versions of the app, keeps legacy users' versions up-to-date and bug-free while continuing to deliver new features and improvements should be celebrated. Especially from an independent developer team who clearly loves the craft.
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