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Re: Jeff Lawson buys The Onion

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Post by 082349872349872 »

defrost wrote: post #185
dev_by_day wrote: post #178

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I'm from Australia. I grew up on a cattle station in the Nor'west. I'm downvoting your comments for their strong foaming at the mouth unhinged vibes, and I'd do the same if they ranted in a similar manner against some other part of US culture. I dare say you could make a comment with fewer empty buzz phrases if you tried.

> on a cattle station in the Nor'west.

Were B&S Balls a thing there then? (the food dye may not exactly be elegant, but it is reminiscent of Carnival)

Re: Jeff Lawson buys The Onion

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Post by dev_by_day »

runarberg wrote: post #278
dev_by_day wrote: post #272

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The beautiful thing about about groups and diversity is you don't get to decide who is and isn't a leftist. Many would say the same about you given how polarizing your being. You have literally zero legitimacy or authority to define what leftism is, it doesn't belong to you.

I did admit to blatantly commit the No true Scotsman fallacy. Deciding who does and doesn’t belong in you political faction is ultimately going to result in arbitrary distinction and characterization. Me as a leftist does not want to be politically aligned with anti-LGBTQ+, anti-feminists, and racists. These aren’t a moderate versions of my and my comrade political beliefs (except the 6th one), they are counter to th…

I do very much appreciate that within the spectrum of the american left/liberals we have those view points.

Edit: to clarify i mean the view points that disagreed with the 6 up above.

I would never want to be in a monoculture where those view points are censored or shut down. It has unfortunately become more common in authoritarian states and even peaceful protests here on campuses.

Re: Jeff Lawson buys The Onion

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dev_by_day wrote: post #283
runarberg wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did admit to blatantly commit the No true Scotsman fallacy. Deciding who does and doesn’t belong in you political faction is ultimately going to result in arbitrary distinction and characterization. Me as a leftist does not want to be politically aligned with anti-LGBTQ+, anti-feminists, and racists. These aren’t a moderate versions of my and my comrade political beliefs (except the 6th one), they are counter to th…

I do very much appreciate that within the spectrum of the american left/liberals we have those view points. Edit: to clarify i mean the view points that disagreed with the 6 up above. I would never want to be in a monoculture where those view points are censored or shut down. It has unfortunately become more common in authoritarian states and even peaceful protests here on campuses.

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Re: Jeff Lawson buys The Onion

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Post by 082349872349872 »

defrost wrote: post #163
saagarjha wrote: post #152

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…what exactly do you think heavy metal is?

Hilarious: Mac Sabbath Pair-a-Buns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7kFfLRcHjU Playful: Leo Moracchioli feat. Mary Spender Sultans of Swing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0RV0kgdqJU It's not like the Church of Satan is actually pushing an agenda to make anybody believe in an actual Satan.

> Pair-a-Buns

obrigado!

Fear of the Dark (QQT) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td3c5rNFLew

Re: Jeff Lawson buys The Onion

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Post by dev_by_day »

dev_by_day wrote: post #283
runarberg wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did admit to blatantly commit the No true Scotsman fallacy. Deciding who does and doesn’t belong in you political faction is ultimately going to result in arbitrary distinction and characterization. Me as a leftist does not want to be politically aligned with anti-LGBTQ+, anti-feminists, and racists. These aren’t a moderate versions of my and my comrade political beliefs (except the 6th one), they are counter to th…

I do very much appreciate that within the spectrum of the american left/liberals we have those view points. Edit: to clarify i mean the view points that disagreed with the 6 up above. I would never want to be in a monoculture where those view points are censored or shut down. It has unfortunately become more common in authoritarian states and even peaceful protests here on campuses.

Sorry to clarify I meant I appreciate the view points you posted by "those", not the ones prior to it(hence i mentioned college campuses in reference to pro-Palestine protests)

Re: Jeff Lawson buys The Onion

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Post by pc86 »

runarberg wrote: post #270
pc86 wrote: post #253

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At the risk of engaging in what I'm sure will be a very even-headed and reasonable dialogue, I can think of a handful of things that the moderate American left would do / agree on that the more extreme elements would not. And just because you have to bend over backwards to avoid getting shadowbanned or flagged for even mentioning any of these, I'm not telling anyone where I stand on any of these things. Some I agree…

As a person firmly in the American political left, I have to disagree with all but one of those (point 6 holds true). 1. If you don’t want Israel’s genocidal war against Gaza to stop, you are not a leftist. 2. If you don’t want trans children to get correct healthcare, you are not a leftist. 3. If you want to discriminate against LGBTQ+ people, you are not a leftist. 4. If you don’t want to fix the gender wage gap, y…

You can be liberal / on the left and not be a leftist. Being extreme on the left should be viewed as negatively as it is to be extreme on the right. Extreme opinions of any kind are not conducive to living with people whose beliefs differ from yours.

I mean in another comment you refer to yourself as "a radical leftist" so that sort of proves my point. The points above can be held by liberal, left-of-center politicians who have a chance at holding national political office in the US. Mainstream Democrats, or at least what used to be a mainstream Democrat 10 years ago.

Re: Jeff Lawson buys The Onion

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Post by runarberg »

pc86 wrote: post #287
runarberg wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a person firmly in the American political left, I have to disagree with all but one of those (point 6 holds true). 1. If you don’t want Israel’s genocidal war against Gaza to stop, you are not a leftist. 2. If you don’t want trans children to get correct healthcare, you are not a leftist. 3. If you want to discriminate against LGBTQ+ people, you are not a leftist. 4. If you don’t want to fix the gender wage gap, y…

You can be liberal / on the left and not be a leftist . Being extreme on the left should be viewed as negatively as it is to be extreme on the right. Extreme opinions of any kind are not conducive to living with people whose beliefs differ from yours. I mean in another comment you refer to yourself as "a radical leftist" so that sort of proves my point. The points above can be held by liberal, left-of-center politici…

So lets zoom in on point 5 on your list:

> There are root causes to the disproportionate incarceration of African Americans that do not boil down to "the system is racist."

To claim that there are other root causes then systematic racism behind mass incarceration of black people, is placing a lot of heavy lifting on the other. It is reasonable to assume that a person holding this belief means “cultural” or, worse, “biological”. In either case, it is a racist view to hold. A conservative democrat can hold this belief, and many indeed do, however, they cannot claim to be leftists at that point, and most actually don’t. They may call them selves “moderate democrats” but I’ve never heard them call them selves “moderately left” (I’m willing to admit I’m wrong here if shown otherwise).

The leftist belief here is that systematic racism exists, and is the reason black people are disproportionately incarcerated. To reject this belief, isn’t a moderate version of the traditional leftist belief. It is counter to it. Therefor, if you reject the existence of systematic racism, you are not a moderate leftist, you simply aren’t a leftist.

Re: Jeff Lawson buys The Onion

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Post by philipwhiuk »

panarky wrote: post #277
modeless wrote: post #80

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Funny, to me these are the worst type of Onion articles, pandering to people on one side of a political issue. I think it's lazy and predictable.

There's no rule of humor that says it must be politically neutral. If you want balance, feel free to post equally funny satire with a right-wing slant. Though it might be harder to find anything equivalent, since biting political humor and satire can be politically asymmetric.

Babylon Bee is the one on the other side of the aisle.

(That's a deliberate Christian meta-joke).

Re: Jeff Lawson buys The Onion

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Post by orf »

xippy wrote: post #227
orf wrote: post #192

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The Babylon Bee has got to be the most braindead thing I’ve stumbled upon in a long time.

It has some quite amusing headlines on its front page right now, very Onion-like: Hamas Thanks College Student Supporters By Promising Them A Quick Death During Global Intifada College Student So Caught Up Harassing Jews He Forgot About Term Paper On Inclusion This is one of my favorites from recent years, both funny and really gets to the point: NCAA Swimming Champ Caught In Possession Of Performance-Enhancing Testi…

That’s just the same joke repeated 3 times.
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