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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by IncreasePosts »

criley2 wrote: post #267
_a_a_a_ wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a little puzzled as you're describing a music stylist on skin colour, black vs white. I presume you don't really mean that, so what distinguishes the two musical styles, black swing vs white swing? Serious question.

>I'm a little puzzled as you're describing a music stylist on skin colour, black vs white You may not realize this, but in the 1930-1950 era being described in America, there was something called "Segregation" where black people were considered legally inferior to white people. As such, there was a very hard line between "black" and "white", a line that was aggressively enforced by every level of society from lawmaki…

You should be able to describe the sound differences if the music is that distinct.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by chadcmulligan »

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

I recently discovered everynoise.com, it can make a playlist of a genre for you, it has a lot of black*

Edit: spelling

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by dotnet00 »

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

The other replies are interpreting this as the algorithm failing, but I have interpreted these sorts of things as intentional design choices, wherein they want the recommender to keep trying to diversify your interests so it's harder for you to just quit the service and move to another one which might not have the same variety (or where you'd have to try to "teach" the recommender again). They've determined that the potential benefit is much better than somewhat annoying you.

This interpretation of their behavior is why I've stuck to buying my music (fortunately that's still common for the genres I'm into).

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by acdha »

VelesDude wrote: post #257
_a_a_a_ wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a little puzzled as you're describing a music stylist on skin colour, black vs white. I presume you don't really mean that, so what distinguishes the two musical styles, black swing vs white swing? Serious question.

Not OP but I would assume that because they where still somewhat isolated groups in terms of directly lived culture, this would have influenced their works differently. Like how the Blues didn't come out of a comfortable lifestyle.

Also isolated by force in many cases: even in states which didn’t have official segregation laws, things like redlining and police enforcement meant you had very distinct communities. This especially went for anything where alcohol is consumed (being drunk leads to deadly mistakes and could lead to crimes being ignored or minimized) or, especially, sexual contexts - if you’re a young black man, you’re probably not going to find it relaxing to be at a club where various white guys are stopping by to mention what’ll happen if you look at a white woman.

Looking of that period is a very sobering reminder of a very dark stain in our national history - and I’ve read too many stories about even well known performers being told they can’t play at certain venues or have to leave immediately afterwards to think everyone wasn’t aware of the stakes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_Un...

As an example of how widespread this was, it took Marilyn Monroe at the height of her fame intervening for _Ella Fitzgerald_ to be able to play at a club in Los Angeles! Not the Deep South, not 1917, but very modern California.

> In October 1957 Monroe made a call to the Mocambo nightclub in Los Angeles, on behalf of Fitzgerald. Monroe used her social status and popularity to make a deal with them. If they allowed Fitzgerald to perform, Monroe promised that she would take a front-row seat every night

https://americanhistory.si.edu/explore/stories/ella-fitzgera...

The closest I can come to a silver lining for this is that it allowed more artists to find a niche where they weren’t competing with the major national artists but that’s nowhere close to compensation for so much tragedy.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by Galxeagle »

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

I encounter similar behaviour as you in an entirely different genre - I've long since suspected that Spotify keeps redirecting me back to songs that are either less royalties for them to play, or located closer to me on the CDN to save serving costs.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by ta2112 »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #106

I must be some sort of freak. I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s listening to classic rock, and a lot of it I can’t even stand any more due to the incredibly small playlists that most classic rock stations use. In my 20’s I started listening to a lot of classical and then jazz. In the 90’s a lot of grunge which’s I still love. After that was trance in the 2000’s, then ambient, techno and IDM after that. I still listen to…

Me too, but it may be because as a teenager I listened to heavy metal. It was awesome, and I still like hearing those songs occasionally. But it's so loud and exhausting that I don't seek it out. Instead, I'm usually drawn back to Motown and R&B from the 60s and 70s, which is definitely before my time.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by wbl »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #281
criley2 wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm a little puzzled as you're describing a music stylist on skin colour, black vs white You may not realize this, but in the 1930-1950 era being described in America, there was something called "Segregation" where black people were considered legally inferior to white people. As such, there was a very hard line between "black" and "white", a line that was aggressively enforced by every level of society from lawmaki…

You should be able to describe the sound differences if the music is that distinct.

Go listen to Straight Otta Compton and then Vanilla Ice and you'll get it. Or for Swing Count Basie vs. the slicker more commercial Glenn Miller but it's subtle.

And then Coltrane and Orman and Davis come and change the whole jazz world.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by acdha »

pcdoodle wrote: post #271
thom wrote: post #206

I listened to a lot of Apple Music recommendations while getting my three kids to sleep over the years. I would say that in my 40s I’m discovering more new music, and music I genuinely love, than I did in all my teens. I don’t get to go to a lot of gigs, but I go to one big festival a year and it’s the bands in a tiny font that I get excited about. Yeah most stuff is shit, but there’s just so much of everything.

I got stuck with apple music on a road trip. It was really bad IMO.

What were you trying to do? After Rdio folded, I switched from Spotify after failing to get it to give me anything other than top 40 pop (no matter what I started with, it was two tracks and then “have you tried our top hits? You will!”). Apple Music wasn’t as good as Rdio back then but it’s gotten better even within relatively obscure sub genres in my experience.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by beaugunderson »

i'm a huge spotify user and my goal much of the time i'm listening is to find new music... last.fm tells me that 27% of the artists i listened to this week are ones i'd never listened to before (the yearly report says 55% of the 1,512 artists i listened to last year were new to me). i also like the "yearly rewind" and "recent rewind" playlists because it automates putting those newly discovered artists of tracks into my rotation.
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