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Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by obdev »

skissane wrote: post #278
obdev wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 1980s, Iraqi Kurds were fleeing to Turkey for freedom and safety. The Prime Minister was of Kurdish origin. You could hear people speak Kurdish freely anywhere between the west and east end of the country. There were no "anti-Kurdish" laws and policies. The pro-American coup d'état in 1980 came with a law to control non-Turkish publications, but it was never put into action.

> There were no "anti-Kurdish" laws and policies. Here's a 1999 Human Rights Watch report – "RESTRICTIONS ON THE USE OF THE KURDISH LANGUAGE" – https://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/turkey/turkey993-08.htm

You can't just dump links to 10,000-word political essays, and expect them to support your original premise that the PKK terrorism is justified.

You must have a knowledge about the history and currency of the topic to hold such strong opinions. You should also use your own words to articulate your arguments, so I can keep myself engaged in this conversation.

Nevertheless, I've read the report. It misinterprets the government's certain actions to protect the public against several jihadist, separatist, and other destructive movements, which are not exclusive to a specific ethnic group.

It also fails to recognize the newly founded republic's goal to build an inclusive Turkish citizenship identity, and to provide a progressive and secular education program to everyone regardless of their race, religion, and gender while preserving the cultural value of each.

"Kurdish" isn't a single language anyway. There is a reason Kurds use French in France, English in USA/UK/Canada, and Turkish in every part of Turkey to communicate with each other, unless they're from the same tribe. It's not realistically possible to institute a system to provide public service to every individual without establishing a common ground.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by mistermann »

pc86 wrote: post #245
mistermann wrote: post #242

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I haven't the slightest idea what point you're trying to make, except perhaps arguing that the GP should for some reason go to Ukraine and fight if they think the invasion was wrong?

>> But somehow much of the world pretends not to notice and only does whatever is convenient at the moment (buy Russian oil/gas, do business in Russia, stay "neutral", etc). I find it incredibly depressing, I thought that surely in the 2020s our civilization would have progressed further.

> I haven't the slightest idea what point you're trying to make

This human was criticizing other humans for "pretending", but they themselves are pretending (well, technically something more like engaging in ~hallucination, Naive Realism based cognition, Meme Magic, etc). They desire and recommend that others (the members of their various outgroups I suspect, purely coincidentally) think better, but if one was to ask them to do the same, they would assert that that is a false accusation / invalid request (because their thinking "is" without substantial flaw, ~"thinking perfectly is stupid, why are you suggesting it lol", not realizing that no such suggestion was made).

~All humans behave this way (I dare you to respond, so a demonstration can be made that proves my point (though it would be fairly pointless outside of having fun, at least at this point in time)), due to the conditioning we receive from birth, and every single day of our lives, all without our realization.

I was kinda making a joke, but it is a joke in at least two ways.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by randomcarbloke »

tjoff wrote: post #216
jjwiseman wrote: post #190

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They do that! Unfortunately, they don't always know when they're being spoofed, so oops, your inertial reference system has just been infected by the spoofed location and now both nav systems are hosed. https://ops.group/blog/gps-spoof-attacks-irs/ https://aerospace.honeywell.com/us/en/about-us/blogs/spoofin...

Though shouldn't be that hard to know if you are being spoofed. You probably have a decent idea of how much the IRS drifts and any large deviations from that or unexpected jumps in GPS should be noted and possibly, maybe manually, rolled-back so that the IRS only considers data before that point. I understand that current civilian aircraft wasn't designed with that in mind though.

some amount of IRS drift should be ~predictable, an anticipated deviation from GPS could be used as a measure of trust for GPS

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by randomcarbloke »

tivert wrote: post #9

So how should I interpret this? The map lacks geopolitical boundaries, so it's hard to interpret. There looks like a big hole of no data over Ukraine, where I'd most expect GPS jamming, but I suppose there are no civilian flights either. Maybe they could setup an GPS observation station on the ground at a surveyed point to get data there. There's a big red blob over Turkey, is that maybe the southern edge of the reac…

I want to know more about the White Sea Canal/Lake Onega patch and the spot in West Papua

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by bluerooibos »

randomcarbloke wrote: post #284
tivert wrote: post #9

So how should I interpret this? The map lacks geopolitical boundaries, so it's hard to interpret. There looks like a big hole of no data over Ukraine, where I'd most expect GPS jamming, but I suppose there are no civilian flights either. Maybe they could setup an GPS observation station on the ground at a surveyed point to get data there. There's a big red blob over Turkey, is that maybe the southern edge of the reac…

I want to know more about the White Sea Canal/Lake Onega patch and the spot in West Papua

The Papua one is weird. Looks completely remote. Something odd going on there.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by rightbyte »

cft wrote: post #179
themoonisachees wrote: post #147

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Google maps (and your phone's location services) seldom rely only on GPS. For one, accelerometer-based location has become pretty good. You can usually get by for a few kilometers on the average road. For two, Google maps is aware that you are driving, and this it sticks to roads, especially ones that are on your itinerary, because of your GPS registers as the middle of a field, it's more likely that you're experienc…

Does accelerometer-based location algorithm integrate the acceleration readings to get the phone displacement? Is it a part of the phone operating systems ?

Probably not. Maybe to like know where you are turning in a round about. But the drift is too big to be useful over any distance.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by resters »

ipython wrote: post #260
jwr wrote: post #235

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It should be a big story, as should be the fact that Russia invaded a peaceful neighboring country and keeps murdering, raping and torturing its residents. But somehow much of the world pretends not to notice and only does whatever is convenient at the moment (buy Russian oil/gas, do business in Russia, stay "neutral", etc). I find it incredibly depressing, I thought that surely in the 2020s our civilization would ha…

There are plenty of Russian apologists in the US as well, unfortunately

Check out the arguments made by John Mearshimer. His heart breaks for the Ukrainian people but he is focused on US policy missteps (because he is American and lives in the US) as the root cause of the problem.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by ipython »

resters wrote: post #287
ipython wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of Russian apologists in the US as well, unfortunately

Check out the arguments made by John Mearshimer. His heart breaks for the Ukrainian people but he is focused on US policy missteps (because he is American and lives in the US) as the root cause of the problem.

No offense to you but that man’s argument has strong “I beat my wife because she deserves it” vibes.

The US has made more than its fair share of policy missteps. But to try and argue that the actions of the US somehow “forced” Russia to invade its neighbor and former satellite state to rid it of “nazis” (Putin’s quote not mine) is absurd.

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