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Yeah I associate techno a lot more with Detroit than Berlin. Detroit in Effect, Jeff Mills, Plastikman...
Plastikman/Hawtin isn’t from Detroit and no one from Detroit would want to claim him either.
I suppose a fair few 'detroit techno' artists are not from there.
Every DJ and producer that goes to Berlin to do a "residency" comes back sounding the same and I hate it.
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You know, I didn’t want to get attacked by Berliner’s for saying this…but I was pretty….whelmed…by the techno scene when I was there for a month. I’ve enjoyed far more raves in LA and Detroit, and lots of harder techno clubs in Chicago that felt a lot more authentic. The Berlin crowds were kind and chill, but there definitely was this odd feeling where it all kinda felt..scripted? I hadn’t gone to Berlin up until two…
Clarification requested: surely that's under whelmed? Or are you saying that you were emotionally involved in it despite the 'scripted' feeling as you describe?
I just had this possibly _too_ high expectation of the Berlin techno club/party scene before I got there, and it just didn’t wow me like I had heard it would (despite having a great time and no issues).
Berlin as a city, however, exceeded my expectations..which definitely adds to my confusion on my overall sentiment towards everything
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You know, I didn’t want to get attacked by Berliner’s for saying this…but I was pretty….whelmed…by the techno scene when I was there for a month. I’ve enjoyed far more raves in LA and Detroit, and lots of harder techno clubs in Chicago that felt a lot more authentic. The Berlin crowds were kind and chill, but there definitely was this odd feeling where it all kinda felt..scripted? I hadn’t gone to Berlin up until two…
Clarification requested: surely that's under whelmed? Or are you saying that you were emotionally involved in it despite the 'scripted' feeling as you describe?
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Clarification requested: surely that's under whelmed? Or are you saying that you were emotionally involved in it despite the 'scripted' feeling as you describe?
"Whelmed" is new slang to mean, it was ok, just alright. It is a reaction to over- and underwhelmed which now carry a bit more extreme connotation.
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Tourism definitely wasn't a major drag on the techno scene. There's always been the tourist clubs and the clubs that were more underground. Berliners usually don't go to Berlin's best known clubs. (Who the hell goes to Watergate or Tresor? Old joke was that Tresor was the biggest club in Dresden.) I think the biggest drag is actually rent prices. When I got to Berlin 20 years ago you could get a room in a shared flat…
You are absolutely right about rent. Its effect is not limited to techno - rent extraction is a damper on everything in the economy (except for rent extraction). Imagine a guy comes around to your house every month and demands $1000 or else he breaks your kneecaps. You'd be quite motivated to ensure you can make that $1000 each month and you'd not be left with as much energy for doing everything else you might want t…
I moved to Berlin 15 years ago in my mid 20s. Back then we didn’t work very much, we constantly had hangovers, we were constantly out, running around Neukölln and Kreuzberg.
Whenever I chat to that age group now, while they often look the part, they’re actually tired, overworked, cash-strapped, and living far from the center of the city.
A good weird party scene needs that bad-judgment-high-enthusiasm energy of the young, and now there’s much less of it.
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Is this specifically techno/underground clubs you mean? My pokey city in Aus has like a dozen "EDM" clubs that spin a decent breadth of techno to house to dnb etc. Perhaps I should count myself lucky?
EDM isn't Techno. It's a bit like saying that hard rock is like metal (somewhat bad analogy, but I hope you get the point). I know you listed a range of genres but it's important to note that the Berlin techno scene would never consider itself part of EDM. In Europe, most EDM is happening in Amsterdam.
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EDM isn't Techno. It's a bit like saying that hard rock is like metal (somewhat bad analogy, but I hope you get the point). I know you listed a range of genres but it's important to note that the Berlin techno scene would never consider itself part of EDM. In Europe, most EDM is happening in Amsterdam.
Or perhaps more appropriately for this context: "hey, you work with computers. Can you fix my printer?"
Genre elitism is why I stopped spinning, it is such a boring thing to bike shed over and contributes zero to the music.
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Can you distinguish these two? In my head EDM & techno occupy the same space.
> In my head EDM & techno occupy the same space. That's the case for a lot of "normies", but it really feels insulting to the electronic music fans in general. Unlike say rock nobody's gonna ask you to know every band in existence and every album they put out decades ago, but you should be able to distinguish between major electronic music genres like house, techno, drum and bass, trance, hardstyle and what not. Some…
Which is a hang up that they should work on, because we are all just trying to love the same thing. I agree with your descriptions of the distinctions mind you. Genres are important to find and discuss music you like, but it gets wrapped up in the ego of the listener, and that can get expressed negatively through elitism and gate keeping.
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> Jeff Mills was a Skinny Puppy fan, and you can hear it Totally. I have somewhere in my pile of neglected vinyl one of the "Final Cut" releases, which was a straight-up wax-trax style EBM/industrial thing which Jeff Mills was involved in. Late 80s/early-90s. > The UK was the first to wake up to US techno, long before the US did Arguably, the US never really did. Most people here in North America remain clueless to w…
That last part - was trance/prog house always like that? Or did it start more underground and organic in 1989 onward until the mid-90s where it became very commercial and then went to the next level with someone like Tiesto?