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U.S. students will take the SAT online

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Re: U.S. students will take the SAT online

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Post by ssdspoimdsjvv »

ro_bit wrote: post #261

This is a great step for accessibility, but will not go well with Collegeboard's level of incompetence. I took the GRE (administered by the same company that owns collegeboard) remotely online and as soon as I started the test their absolute spyware of a lockdown browser immediately closed. Despite me passing the system check immediately before the test, the lockdown browser thought I was cheating and immediately shu…

I enjoyed reading your comment up until the last sentence where you mentioned your scores, which is completely irrelevant.

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Post by aaomidi »

renewiltord wrote: post #269
aaomidi wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man I hate this. The one thing I loved about schooling in Iran is that there wasn’t a constant system of surveillance. I hate the idea of long term data collection during a time a kid is supposed to be able to learn.

Same. This god-damned nightmare of needing to maintain perfection is great for some kinds of people but not me. I blew off homework often, then killed it on the tests, and killed it in grad school, and quite successful in real life. But the ideal American education is a never ending series of constant evaluation - intended to measure adherence to curriculum over everything else. Absolute nightmare. I'm really conside…

I would’ve never become who I am today if I wasn’t permitted to make mistakes growing up.

Western students have the highest suicide rate in the world. People are quick to blame social media, but never look at the pressure we put on them.

Re: U.S. students will take the SAT online

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Post by jimbokun »

ssdspoimdsjvv wrote: post #281
ro_bit wrote: post #261

This is a great step for accessibility, but will not go well with Collegeboard's level of incompetence. I took the GRE (administered by the same company that owns collegeboard) remotely online and as soon as I started the test their absolute spyware of a lockdown browser immediately closed. Despite me passing the system check immediately before the test, the lockdown browser thought I was cheating and immediately shu…

I enjoyed reading your comment up until the last sentence where you mentioned your scores, which is completely irrelevant.

Think it was just making the point he or she didn’t have any reason to cheat.

Re: U.S. students will take the SAT online

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Post by BlueFalconHD »

lvl102 wrote: post #182
germinalphrase wrote: post #110

As a former educator, I look forward to the day that we can simply track student ability in a trustable manner based on long term data collection in the classroom rather than requiring these additional, often expensive, exams. We would need to mediate our classroom interactions more than we do now - but the tools do so usefully are there if packaged correctly.

In an ideal world, we wouldn’t have a tiered education system and that everyone will have access to master any subject/curriculum regardless of age. Therefore, we wouldn’t need an arbitrary and flawed aptitude tests.

I agree. If a child understands and excels at some topic, they should have the choice to move on to the next? (I believe this is what you mean, correct me if I'm wrong)

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Post by gamepsys »

bombcar wrote: post #147
donmcronald wrote: post #133

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That's crazy because I imagine cheating is trivial for those that want to do it. All you would need is a clean install, an HDMI splitter, and a tiny earbud stuffed in your ear. Then someone in an adjacent room can feed you answers. Even if they start making people put their ears up to the camera, that won't help much. Bone conducting headphones built into the arms of glasses will be virtually undetectable. Do you ban…

The point isn’t to stop all cheating, it’s to catch the most blatant idiots cheating. That’s really all that’s required.

The point is to provide a meaningful metric schools can use to determine how likely a student is to succeed at their University, and how much success they are likely to achieve.

Bad or average cheaters are unlikely to find success. Maybe great cheaters are likely to find success.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

tzs wrote: post #178
dylan604 wrote: post #83

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As stated: "You were awarded +5 for correct answers and -4 for incorrect or skipped questions." Answer question 1 correctly: +5 Skip question 2: -4 Answer question 3 correctly: +5 Net score: +6 If skipped were just ignored, the net score would be +10.

It's still equivalent to "normal" tests, because the cost of skipping and the cost of answering incorrectly are the same. A test in that format with N questions and a test in the normal "1 point for a correct answer, 0 for anything else" with N questions are related as follows, assuming C correct answers: Score in the +5/-4 system: 5 C - 4 (N-C) = 9 C - 4 N Score in the +1/0 system: 1 C + 0 It's basically a "9 points…

> It's basically a "9 points for a correct answer, 0 for anything else" test that simply starts with a score of -4 N.

But it's not. Skipped questions before your final answer get a bad score, while skipped questions after your final answer get a medium score.

If you take a blank test and answer the last question only, your score drops by hundreds of points.

No normal test does that. That's how it penalizes skipping around.

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Post by BlueFalconHD »

tombert wrote: post #186

I did a WGU CS degree, which had a lot of online testing. It was honestly fine. They made me use an HD webcam, show my drivers license, and pan around the room to ensure I was by myself and didn’t have an easy way to cheat. They also made me share my screen on Zoom and open up the Application Monitor to ensure I was only running Firefox. They didn’t let you take notes on paper, just using a portable whiteboard that t…

I feel like people who cheat on digital tests could learn a thing or two from cheaters in video games. They have cheats that are invisible on screen-shares and that are super hidden (this mostly applies to AC bypasses, but some cheats run at a kernel or hardware level)

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Post by MengerSponge »

jimbokun wrote: post #283
ssdspoimdsjvv wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I enjoyed reading your comment up until the last sentence where you mentioned your scores, which is completely irrelevant.

Think it was just making the point he or she didn’t have any reason to cheat.

I'd be less surprised by a 99th percentiler cheating than a 90th percentiler. I know plenty of smart kids who enjoy gaming systems after all.

Re: U.S. students will take the SAT online

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

ssdspoimdsjvv wrote: post #281
ro_bit wrote: post #261

This is a great step for accessibility, but will not go well with Collegeboard's level of incompetence. I took the GRE (administered by the same company that owns collegeboard) remotely online and as soon as I started the test their absolute spyware of a lockdown browser immediately closed. Despite me passing the system check immediately before the test, the lockdown browser thought I was cheating and immediately shu…

I enjoyed reading your comment up until the last sentence where you mentioned your scores, which is completely irrelevant.

Yes this whole comment seems just like an excuse to brag
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