Somehow the search function will turn into a cellular automaton in the near future.
Kagi and Wolfram
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#282> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?
I never realized before that sentence, but the presence of ads and tracking on a webpage is correlated really well with me never wanting to read its content. I might sign up to Kagi just for that.
Happy Kagi user here.
Try it! After you'll be on a site that is just generated content, click backwards in the browser and remove the site from all your future kagi results. That's how search should work (and it should _not_ provide you a top 30 of random AI content).
Re: Kagi and Wolfram
#283> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?
I never realized before that sentence, but the presence of ads and tracking on a webpage is correlated really well with me never wanting to read its content. I might sign up to Kagi just for that.
The fact that people who are not affiliated with the company go out of their way to suggest people to use kagi and pay with their hard earned money is a testament to how much people enjoy and value the product.
Personally, if I could own Kagi stock, I would.
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#284> ...We are even thinking of providing a consumeable API for users to add their own widgets to Kagi search results triggered on demand (and shareable with others via an open-source repository[1]). Neat! 1: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/support-and-community/open-source...
I‘d love to see an IMDB widget.
That would be pretty great. Even better - a movie widget that integrates IMDB and JustWatch. JustWatch tells you where you can actually stream/buy/rent a movie… I find it very helpful for dealing with ever-changing streaming catalogs.
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Just do it. Kagi has been my favorite $10/mo spent before this collab already.
I pay for it for my entire company. Life's too short to make people click through to page 9 of Google to get past the ads, the spam, the malware, the made up AI bullshit etc.
I also spun up a Kagi account for work. The current Teams product is fine, but hasn’t been a priority for the team and lacks features available in the Ultimate plan.
I’ve wound up moving folks over to individual Ultimate accounts. They’re working on a revised one payer/many users product. Once that’s available I’ll consolidate everyone there and experiment with making it the default search experience in our managed browsers.
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It feels like a glass of water on a hot day, when you didn't even realize you were thirsty. Suddenly you can find things again. Recently I've been adding ? to a number of queries, to play with its knowledge graph and answering capabilities. It's been remarkably useful at surfacing information.
Can you expand on the “adding ?” - I’m unclear what you mean..?
Adding a question mark to your query will open an AI-generated quick answer with references.
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I assume the translation is a bit more rigorous than running through an LLM.
Which is the problem: It is using natural language processing techniques that were state of the art in 2009, but have been completely eclipsed in the past couple of years. The "rigor" tends to be at odds with the fluidity of user input: typos, search query-ese, ambiguity, etc. The challenging problem that Wolfram|Alpha tries to solve is conversion of natural language queries to structured ones. Although I doubt Wolfr…
Ugh I can’t wait for Apple to roll out Siri II, re-baselined with contemporary LLM tech. So much of Siri’s architecture is exactly what I want… it’s just too dumb.
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#288Kagi has tried a few different AI solutions, and now this integration with a different search engine. I think what I want is just a redoubled focus on improving search results (not quick answers) while maintaining or improving confidentiality. If they announce that my monthly payments are going up, and I suspect it's because they're paying for partnerships with services I don't view as core to the product value that…
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#289Anyone using their own searx-ng, the metasearch engine? Have you tried Kagi? How is it comparatively when it comes to quality of results given that with searx I can customize the engines and such.
We have both available as a result of independent & simultaneous innovation/20%/side project things. I’m biased because I own the Kagi side, but have thought about this a bit.
SearX has some advantages. It’s free, except for the compute and labor costs. It runs on our infrastructure, so SSO is easy and we have complete visibility on what’s leaving our perimeter.
Ignoring nuanced search quality evaluation, SearX main disadvantages are (1) it’s only available on our network, so if you set it as the default search that feature breaks if you’re not at the office or on VPN and (2) it’s slow. Users get a blank page for a meaningful moment before results show up.
Kagi is snappy AF and adds solid AI features. Their Universal Summarizer (which isn’t actually LLM powered) works well and the fastGPT is the new standard for open ended information retrieval IMHO. (I have a Perplexity subscription I don’t bother to use)
What I want from Kagi is (1) a single payer team plan that gets all the features, (2) more information & contractual guarantees about privacy. I argue that Google is a terrible default, but the brand is trusted while Kagi is still mostly unknown.
Now, the real benefit of SearX would be integrated custom search providers for in-house data sources. We haven’t done that, and I’m not confident we have the resources to do it well. This is also something I’d love to get from Kagi, but it’s not well-aligned with their current roadmap. I’m content to use them to search external data and pursue other solutions for internal stuff.
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I configured Reddit as a "Lense" (similar to what Kagi uses for things like searching across Forums, or news). With that, now I have a simple toggle at the top of Kagi which allows me to immediately turn a search into a Reddit search.
It took me way too long to start using Lenses. I've been a Kagi user for a while now, but lenses never really seemed that useful. The unlock for me is that I'm often looking for 3D models, so I added one for all the usual 3D model suspects (Thangs, Printables, etc).
I have !sgn to search sourcegraph for nix code.