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Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by severino »

stanac wrote: post #173

I just checked pricing on hetzner (not affiliated with them). First 20 TB are included with VM price, after which it's 1.19 euros per TB. If this happened to someone hosting there it would cost them additional 50 euros. Can't believe the difference in traffic pricing. Netlify is over 1000x more expensive per TB.

Problem is if you get 10x that traffic, which would already be 500€ in Hetzner, right? Of course its much cheaper and it's very unlikely that you'd get a huge bill but with them, but after all, it would be great if you could just say "Shut my machine down when my monthly spending gets to 100€"

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by trog »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #188

Why is there no self-hostable Netlify yet? Is it just that no one would pay for it? I'm well aware of how terrible a customer developers make, but has to be nearly a non-issue with Hetzner in the USA now, with how much free traffic they give you (or any other provider, DO, etc). There's even Cloudflare R2 nowadays. Your blog probably doesn't actually need sub 100ms serve times.

https://coolify.io/ might be worth a look

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by Charles_Stover »

DANmode wrote: post #89
serial_dev wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means that they will charge you 20k (a year's rent for me, no biggie) instead of 100k for your free website, or 5k if you got lucky.

If you value uptime, even through being massively attacked, they can offer you that.

It's a static website. Plenty can offer uptime through being massively attacked, for free.

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Post by hnlmorg »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #78
hnlmorg wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You presumably already have enterprise pricing discounts agreed though?

Yes, but nothing novel, and this is a recent development (within the last few weeks).

I wonder if you’ve hit some kind of internal limit. I don’t know if such things exist but I’ve noticed a pattern around how discounts and credits are allocated.

I do feel your pain though. Managing AWS costs can be a full time job itself.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by stavros »

throwaway290 wrote: post #237
lifthrasiir wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard that they rather drastically constrain QoS instead, which does sound reasonable. So you are still not charged for abusive traffic, but your service will be much slower than what is actually possible with paid tiers.

So you'd be either slow or pay them "for protection". Something that reminds me of;)

Capitalism? Mob-style "protection" would be if Cloudflare were the ones who DDoSed you if you didn't pay.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway290 wrote: post #237
lifthrasiir wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard that they rather drastically constrain QoS instead, which does sound reasonable. So you are still not charged for abusive traffic, but your service will be much slower than what is actually possible with paid tiers.

So you'd be either slow or pay them "for protection". Something that reminds me of;)

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Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by chgs »

cotillion wrote: post #153
baq wrote: post #108

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Host on a provider which bills per hour. This caps your cost. It also makes your users pissed because you will go down, but if you’re small, you can afford that. If you’re big, you already have scaling options and should have a team to handle ddos.

My experience is that customers don't really care that much about small amounts of downtime no matter what size you are, people mostly get that unexpected stuff happens as long as you don't get hacked or misplace their data. Customers might complain a bit but seldom leave because of a few hours downtime. This seems to mostly hold true to developers also, GitHub manages to survive just fine after all.

Depends on your service. 20 second downtime on loading HN? Nobody cares. 20 second downtime on the last play of the Super Bowl - big problems.

For most internet consumers we’re accustomed to poor service so if a page doesn’t load we’ll assume it’s a local problem and try again 20 seconds later, same with buffering, it’s just something that happens occasionally. This is increasing the case for phone calls too. Legacy live tv and radio going silent though is still a major issue, especially on live events.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by weare138 »

Lammy wrote: post #54
jzebedee wrote: post #13

The most bizarre thing is that this is a known issue that folks have asked them for ways to mitigate, to no avail. The reddit thread even links to an extremely weird dialogue where Netlify's response boils down to, "if you're hosting a small site that gets DDoS'd, don't." https://answers.netlify.com/t/limit-bandwidth-to-avoid-high-...

https://www.netlify.com/security/ sez “Active DDoS mitigation — Netlify monitors for traffic pattern anomalies and spikes, and effectively controls for them as needed” and now I'm curious about what that actually means .

They reroute the network traffic to ensure none of it gets dropped so they can accurately overcharge you for the the correct amount.
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