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Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by eropple »

sfink wrote: post #276
mvdtnz wrote: post #127

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Great. But without video you lose most of your users.

I am increasingly of the mind that this is a feature, not a bug. If you want to be Twitter, you'll end up being Twitter. We already have one of those, it sucks, and we don't need another one. Social networks go to crap above a certain scale. If everyone can see your posts, you'll write posts to be seen by everyone. Which, as it turns out, ends up benefiting no one. The magic comes when there is a community, where you…

I agree with this--and also, again, you have video, if you upload it to YouTube. Or stream via Twitch. Like, you don't need on-platform video. Google makes more money than God; let them pay for the perturbed bits.

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Post by j-j-j-j »

belkinpower wrote: post #198
edgarvaldes wrote: post #181

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> Twitter is a conservative cesspool Interesting. I see it as the de-facto journalist platform, which to me (as a non american) make it very left leaning. But then again, I don't use X.

It was. In the last year it’s become largely conservative, and not in a standard reasonable small-government, etc. way. It’s like reading Facebook posts from your dumbest uncle.

It didn't become, just suppressing what was already there is gone.

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Post by kstrauser »

Repulsion9513 wrote: post #259
15457345234 wrote: post #246

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When you share a public post on Mastodon, you are by implication licensing that content for redistribution. Because other Mastodon servers have to redistribute it in order for anyone on another instance to see it. Hope that helps you understand the basic stuff here. (Either that or every Mastodon server in existence is a massive copyright violation, which is frankly quite possible given how bad copyright law is)

I’m a sucker for a particular mix of condescending plus wrong.

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Post by celdon25 »

elpool2 wrote: post #64
emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

I think everything you said was fair, but you also mentioned Twitter being a conservative cesspool, and a lot these features like federation and composable moderation are designed to help prevent the whole "rich guy buys the company and turns it into something you don't like" scenario.

It's really unfortunate that the tech companies set the precedent in the first place by pushing hard political agendas into their policies and moderation biases. If it was truly neutral in the first place we would not be having this conversation. All the people complaining only now about Twitter doing this are part of the problem.

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Post by daredoes »

jakebsky wrote: post #5

Hey HN, the engineering team at Bluesky is especially excited to get to this point! We're happy to help answer questions and help anyone trying to run their own PDS host. Things should work pretty well for self-hosters right now, but we're standing by to help if there are any problems. Technical details and the installer are in the GitHub repo https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds And we're on Discord available to he…

Gonna be that guy!

Any chance the team could create a Home Assistant add-on for this? https://www.home-assistant.io/addons/

I think the Home Assistant community would go WILD for being able to self-host their Bluesky data straight from home with just a few clicks.

It's a pretty big crowd of people. https://analytics.home-assistant.io/ 327k willing to opt-in to analytics.

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Post by rglullis »

15457345234 wrote: post #246
Repulsion9513 wrote: post #240

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Public = consent for the public to see it. That includes the public on Bluesky. It was consensual. And the ruckus was in fact about Bluesky in particular. That's why the same project already supported other protocols without a big ruckus . In general, "I want my stuff on Bluesky but don't want to deal with cross-posting to multiple different platforms and keeping up with responses on all of them" And, "I want my stuf…

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No, not "basic" stuff at all. It's not only "allowed", federation works exactly by replicating all the activities from the remote servers and even the images you share. If you don't believe it, just go ahead and see what happens when you repost a message from someone's server. The repost will come from your server, not the original creator. Or try deleting a conversation on your server and notice how the other instances will still keep everything intact.

Also, what would be the problem if you put content on your server and someone downloads it and holds a copy? No one is redistributing your content trying to pass it as their own. Attribution is still preserved. What is the copyright violation here?

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Post by treyd »

wmf wrote: post #217
treyd wrote: post #192

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It worked with Mastodon because it was diverse and well-distributed from the beginning even when it was young. I'm skeptical that other people are going to run their own BS servers at scale now that it's been normalized to always just use the firstparty one.

If they really want to they can fix this by closing the central server.

They would never do that since BS has VCs to answer to now.

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Post by numpad0 »

timeon wrote: post #204
numpad0 wrote: post #163

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One of difficulties with content moderation is it's been targeted by some as a tool available for the few to control and shape public opinions to far narrower degrees than legally required, which is harmful to free speech. I'm not completely sure but externalizing that part probably mitigates that issue a bit. EU is moving towards requiring all social media obey EU laws, under loose notion that their laws is the leas…

Interesting that you have picked EU, while sites like Twitter are already blocking or removing content on request of countries like Turkey, China or Russia.

I remember Turkey and China pressuring on political sides, and Russia as well as Germany kind of ignoring jurisdiction as well, but EU is the most recent and formalized approach of that so that came to mind first.

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Post by packetlost »

packetlost wrote: post #141
hathawsh wrote: post #112

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Fair enough. Personally, I like to watch both sides, and it has been interesting to see conservatives becoming more favorable toward Twitter/X. If I were working on a social network (like Bluesky, the topic of this discussion), I would be watching Twitter/X closely right now to try to understand the effects that certain tweaks (such as moderation policy) may have.

Agreed! My own gut feeling is that it leaned pretty heavily left and it's now closer to center than ever, and people are noticing the delta . Every time I open BlueSky it's like 50% Liberal rage-bait and like 40% people posting mostly about their sexual and gender identities.

I'd like to add, that I don't have a problem with people doing this: people should be able to express themselves however they want. I'm just not particularly interested in that type of content.
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