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Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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I personally can't take any models from google seriously. I was asking it about the Japanese Heian period and it told me such nonsensical information you would have thought it was a joke or parody. Some highlights were "Native American women warriors rode across the grassy plains of Japan, carrying Yumi" and "A diverse group of warriors, including a woman of European descent wielding a katana, stand together in camar…

I wonder if they have a system prompt to promote diversity in outputs that touch on race at all? I’ve seen several instances of people requesting a photo of a specific people, and it adds in more people to diversify. Not inherently bad, but it is if it forces it to provide incorrect answers like in your example.

That's what I don't understand.

I asked it why it assumed Native Americans were in Japan and it said:

> I assumed [...] various ethnicities, including Indigenous American, due to the diversity present in Japan throughout history. However, this overlooked [...] I focused on providing diverse representations without adequately considering the specific historical context.

I see no reason why this sort of thing won't extend to _all_ questions/prompts, so right now I have 0 reason to use Gemini over current models. From my testing and use, it isn't even better at anything to make fighting with it worth it.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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post #257

I personally can't take any models from google seriously. I was asking it about the Japanese Heian period and it told me such nonsensical information you would have thought it was a joke or parody. Some highlights were "Native American women warriors rode across the grassy plains of Japan, carrying Yumi" and "A diverse group of warriors, including a woman of European descent wielding a katana, stand together in camar…

I find myself shocked that people ask questions of the world from these models, as though pulping every text and its component words relationships and deriving statistical relationships between them should reliably deliver useful information.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve used LLMs and been amazed by their output, but the p-zombie statistical model has no idea what it is saying back to you and the idea that we should trust these things at all just seems way premature

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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post #257

I personally can't take any models from google seriously. I was asking it about the Japanese Heian period and it told me such nonsensical information you would have thought it was a joke or parody. Some highlights were "Native American women warriors rode across the grassy plains of Japan, carrying Yumi" and "A diverse group of warriors, including a woman of European descent wielding a katana, stand together in camar…

I think you are being biased and closed minded and overly critical. Here are some wonderful examples of it generating images of historical figures:

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1760187341468270686

This will lead to a better educated more fair populace and better future for all.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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post #257

I personally can't take any models from google seriously. I was asking it about the Japanese Heian period and it told me such nonsensical information you would have thought it was a joke or parody. Some highlights were "Native American women warriors rode across the grassy plains of Japan, carrying Yumi" and "A diverse group of warriors, including a woman of European descent wielding a katana, stand together in camar…

I find myself shocked that people ask questions of the world from these models, as though pulping every text and its component words relationships and deriving statistical relationships between them should reliably deliver useful information. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve used LLMs and been amazed by their output, but the p-zombie statistical model has no idea what it is saying back to you and the idea that we should trus…

I don't have this problem with any other model. I've had really long conversations with ChatGPT on road trips and it has never gone off the rails like Gemini seems to do.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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post #257

I personally can't take any models from google seriously. I was asking it about the Japanese Heian period and it told me such nonsensical information you would have thought it was a joke or parody. Some highlights were "Native American women warriors rode across the grassy plains of Japan, carrying Yumi" and "A diverse group of warriors, including a woman of European descent wielding a katana, stand together in camar…

I was wondering if these models would perform in such a way, given this week's X/twitter storm over Gemini generated images. E.g. https://x.com/debarghya_das/status/1759786243519615169?s=20 https://x.com/MiceynComplex/status/1759833997688107301?s=20 https://x.com/AravSrinivas/status/1759826471655452984?s=20

Yea, it seems to be the same ridiculous nonsense in the image generation.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Google, at the moment, is a tech company whose products are actively engaged in the falsification of history for political purposes.

I honestly have no idea where they are going with this but I don't want to be part of it.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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post #257

I personally can't take any models from google seriously. I was asking it about the Japanese Heian period and it told me such nonsensical information you would have thought it was a joke or parody. Some highlights were "Native American women warriors rode across the grassy plains of Japan, carrying Yumi" and "A diverse group of warriors, including a woman of European descent wielding a katana, stand together in camar…

I think you are being biased and closed minded and overly critical. Here are some wonderful examples of it generating images of historical figures: https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1760187341468270686 This will lead to a better educated more fair populace and better future for all.

Comical. I don't think parody could do better.

I'm going to assume given today's political climate, it doesn't do the reverse?

i.e. generate a Scandinavian if you ask for famous African kings

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Is there a chance we'll get a model without the "aligment" (lobotomization)? There are many examples where answers from Gemini are garbage because of the ideological fine tuning.

You can (and someone will) fine tune it away. There are datasets which are foss you can use on hugging face. Or you can just wait, it'll be done soon...

You can but it'll never be the same as the base model.

That said it appears they also released the base checkpoints that aren't fine-tuned for alignment

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are being biased and closed minded and overly critical. Here are some wonderful examples of it generating images of historical figures: https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1760187341468270686 This will lead to a better educated more fair populace and better future for all.

Comical. I don't think parody could do better. I'm going to assume given today's political climate, it doesn't do the reverse? i.e. generate a Scandinavian if you ask for famous African kings

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Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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post #257

I personally can't take any models from google seriously. I was asking it about the Japanese Heian period and it told me such nonsensical information you would have thought it was a joke or parody. Some highlights were "Native American women warriors rode across the grassy plains of Japan, carrying Yumi" and "A diverse group of warriors, including a woman of European descent wielding a katana, stand together in camar…

I find myself shocked that people ask questions of the world from these models, as though pulping every text and its component words relationships and deriving statistical relationships between them should reliably deliver useful information. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve used LLMs and been amazed by their output, but the p-zombie statistical model has no idea what it is saying back to you and the idea that we should trus…

The recently released Groq's landing page has this: ...We'd suggest asking about a piece of history, ...
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