So.... what's better than JIRA? (Serious answers only, please.)
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I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
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Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
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Are you on Mac by chance? I use notifications to gather all my pop ups as I’ve never been able to get the modals to work.
Yes. I run on a Mac 99% of the time and it’s frustrating because pretty much every day people message me and they just sit there. The best work around I’ve found is to have my phone nearby and use it for notifications. Seems pretty silly for a messaging app to work so poorly.
Not silly at all cause I do the same. I wonder if it’s a Mac issue displaying modals or a teams thing. I have the same issue with slack messages so I always assume it’s a Mac problem.
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Jira is brilliant” I've never read that sentence before! My feeling is... developers hate Jira, managers love Jira. And that is expected. The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. An example of a very misused metric: In one of my jobs, managers started using Scrum Poker results as a productivity measure. “My team scored 100 points in the last sprint.” Ima…
> The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. There's an unfortunate tendency for some people to scoff at the immutable fact that to write software, you have to talk to other human beings. And that if a company is paying you good money to do it, they are going to want to know when it will be done and what ROI they are getting on your salary. Sure, there are…
This issue is that jira does not measure roi
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can confirm that Pivotal Tracker has gotten better since then, not worse. But it's strongly opinionated and if you aren't using something very much like the Pivotal process, it might not work for you. Personally I love it. FYI a dozen people would be a huge team at Pivotal. 30 folks working in a single backlog is unheard of. But I hear Pivotal became a different place after Rob left, so I don't know what it's like no…
Interesting -- I've been using Pivotal Tracker continuously for at least seven years, and I don't perceive much change in that period. I think this is a good thing! For me, the most impressive thing is that Tracker manages to be simple enough but not simplistic. I've used a lot of tracker products, and I don't consider Pivotal Tracker to be particularly opinionated. That might just mean it works the way I prefer of c…
The way that you use PT is opinionated, not that the product itself is necessarily opinionated.
What I learned from working at Pivotal (with @stickfigure actually) is that there is the way that Pivotal uses it and the way everyone else uses it.
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work in a mid-to-large org. The more agile part use tools like jira and slack. The older part (established in the 1920s) use Remedy and Teams. Jira is brilliant. It is team-led. Different teams have different approaches, some love all the features like components, versions, issue types, assignee, kanban boards, scrumms, reports etc etc. Others like my team use it with subject/description/comments. You make the tool…
“Jira is brilliant” I've never read that sentence before! My feeling is... developers hate Jira, managers love Jira. And that is expected. The tendency is for things loved by managers to be hated by developers, such as meetings, metrics, etc. An example of a very misused metric: In one of my jobs, managers started using Scrum Poker results as a productivity measure. “My team scored 100 points in the last sprint.” Ima…
Read the rest of the comment and what he loves about it. He's not a dev.
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#286What are they hating Jira compared to.
Jira is fine. Admittedly, I've seen some installations that are slow AF but that isn't the problem.
Current worse; TargetProcess with a 9 month development process.
Re: I Fucking Hate Jira (2022)
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work in a mid-to-large org. The more agile part use tools like jira and slack. The older part (established in the 1920s) use Remedy and Teams. Jira is brilliant. It is team-led. Different teams have different approaches, some love all the features like components, versions, issue types, assignee, kanban boards, scrumms, reports etc etc. Others like my team use it with subject/description/comments. You make the tool…
Teams would be fine with two things: 1) Let a Team channel be a normal-ass chat instead of some weird forum-in-a-chat-interface. Shit gets lost. Creating a new post feels very formal and high friction, because it’ll push everything else out of view (another, minor problem: teams’ padding and whitespace is way out of control). Make it configurable! That’s ok. The weird chat-as-forum thing is fine for a very low-traffi…
OH MY GOSH yes. I first started using Teams and these two things drive me crazy.
Just make it like Slack, and Discord, etc. its a solved problem!