Is there a way to use bing chat from Firefox yet?
>Is there a way to use bing chat from Firefox yet? Bing Chat has been working with Firefox for a while now.
Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice
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Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would genuinely hate to be an engineer working on the edge team. It feels like building a decent browser comes entirely secondary to moving the needle on marketing and growth targets. Not the only situation where it seems your Windows-running computer is basically held hostage by MBAs wanting to boost Bing’s numbers.
That's why microsoft only hires people who fail any ethics test you can imagine, and who pass any asshole test that you can give them.
Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair to the regulators, they have been busy lately: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-googl... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/01/... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/12/... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/01/...
Perhaps so. But they're too late the damage has been done. Unfortunately, they should have acted 30+ years ago. The need to regulate back then was just as obvious as it is now.
Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not arguing whether Microsoft's behavior is good or bad (that's a long, subjective, discussion) - I'm arguing that from a legal point of view it's not clear cut that it's the same situation, as was suggested. Company size is for example not considered (generally anyway) as relevant for whether a company has a monopoly/market dominance or not. This seems to be forgotten, and it seems few cares about why the defini…
"I'm arguing that from a legal point of view it's not clear cut that it's the same situation, as was suggested" Sorting out technicalities is the job of regulators and government. It shouldn't matter a damn if the situation is different. What's common and ongoing is that Microsoft's monopolistic practices are still in place and small and medium businesses are still being hurt, and users are still being taken advantag…
It should matter in this context because this entire thread chain was started with a reference to the 90s era monopoly challenges against MS. If the situation isn't the same then the old monopoly challenge really doesn't matter, sure it was the same corporation but it was different leadership with different employees working in entirely different industry and time.
We won't fix big tech with regulations and laws. That's hard enough when you're going after large corporations with massive legal and lobbying teams, see the cigarette and oil industries for example. When its a tech industry that changes on the order or months or years rather than decades, regulators have no chance of predicting what coning innovations they need to plan for or closing loopholes in regulation written for a fairly unique industry.
Sometimes it doesn't work for us to go crawling to big governments to drop the hammer and save us with yet more regulation that no one has time to read or comprehend. Big tech only has the power it does because we all choose to use their products. If we really cared, consumers could make real change without regulators by simply telling big tech to screw off and opting our of using their products.
Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice
#285When the fuck is this going to stop! Microsoft lost this monopolizing tactic in a court case decades ago. It seems either no one remembers this fact or that Microsoft hopes it's so. Regulators will you please damn-well regulate. In simple English, do your fucking job.
Perhaps the monopoly law should be changed to adapt to multiple scales. E.g. you shouldn't be able to use product 1 that has 100Y market in A to create any advantage for product 2 in market B if you know user uses competitor in B who's market in B is For example if you have 2B market in OS you should not be allowed to use OS to advertise your own browser to user who uses another browser with under 200M users. That wo…
Whenever a regulation compares against what you "know" it is usually pretty easy to just not look, or claim that you numbers were inaccurate, or that team A knew but team B which implemented feature didn't (potentially even claiming that's a privacy feature by protecting user data).
Even more difficult, the stats needed would be owned by the same party. I.e. Microsoft would be the one collecting and owning data of what apps a user already installed, and Google would be doing the same for any pertinent data related to Chrome use and advertising. Its effectively a black box to regulators, they would be asking MS for their own internal data that both sides already know must fit a very specifically defined legal requirement. This is exactly how VW got away with fudging the numbers on diesel regulations for so long.
Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's why microsoft only hires people who fail any ethics test you can imagine, and who pass any asshole test that you can give them.
Xbox team has some good eggs at least. They didn’t need to make certain x360 titles forwards compatible, you can’t even get the disks new anymore, but they did it anyway.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/09/20/ten-years-...
https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/xbox-one-series-x-games-mi...
Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice
#287Isn't there a dumb / light version of Windows 10 that removes all these anti-features and bloat? I just want to play games and surf the web with FF.
Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice
#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
All three work flawlessly for me. It takes either luck or looking up known incompatibilities before purchasing a laptop, but it's no longer 2008. Not buying hardware from certain vendors (Nvidia) helps improve your chances. The lack of hibernation with an encrypted system is an annoying problem, though. There's a good reason it doesn't work, and the explanation has made me doubt other hibernation implementations, but…
> The lack of hibernation with an encrypted system is an annoying problem, though. I don't understand. Hibernation to an encrypted swap partition (and even to a swap file on an encrypted rootfs) works normally. > Not buying hardware from certain vendors (Nvidia) helps improve your chances. nVidia just works if you accept the proprietary driver. On the other hand, with AMD, you get fun like this: https://www.wezm.net/…
Nvidia "just working" is a matter of luck and patience. I'm on kernel 6.7 on my laptop with the latest Nvidia driver and I'm booting with special Nvidia command line flags and running with carious Nvidia specific tweaks to make the thing not drain my battery the moment it boots up. Wayland support remains spotty on multiple compositors.
It'll probably Just Work with a whole bunch of extra power consumption on desktop, as it does on mine, assuming you don't particularly care about Wayland support. Wayland support works in that there is content rendered to the screen, but hardware acceleration is spotty and has weird performance issues that aren't present on Intel iGPUs.
You can make all of this work, but out of the box it doesn't.
Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The lack of hibernation with an encrypted system is an annoying problem, though. I don't understand. Hibernation to an encrypted swap partition (and even to a swap file on an encrypted rootfs) works normally. > Not buying hardware from certain vendors (Nvidia) helps improve your chances. nVidia just works if you accept the proprietary driver. On the other hand, with AMD, you get fun like this: https://www.wezm.net/…
Last time I checked (three months ago?) you needed to patch the kernel to enable hibernation in kernel lockdown mode. I think OpenSUSE enabled these kernel patches by default, but that caused issues with secure boot. Nvidia "just working" is a matter of luck and patience. I'm on kernel 6.7 on my laptop with the latest Nvidia driver and I'm booting with special Nvidia command line flags and running with carious Nvidia…
I still use X, as Wayland does not seem to implement all the features I'm using (but it's improving, so I expect I can go to Wayland in a few years).
Re: Over the edge: The use of design tactics to undermine browser choice
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if devs on the Edge team gets some kind of sadistic pleasure out of ruining Edge. It used to be good for a sweet, short few months, but it's beyond saving now. There's no way the devs behind the Edge UX still believe they're improving the browser. I can imagine getting sort of a thrill out of suggesting something stupid like "let's steal ALL OF CHROME'S BROWSING HISTORY, then CLOSE CHROME, and OPEN EDGE and…
They should pull the BOFH of the edge team. For the greater good of all windows users.