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Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by badwolf »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #269
smaccona wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I do is buy a smart TV, never connect it to the network (thus making it a dumb TV), and plug an Apple TV (or other devices) into it. So far, this has worked - I haven't seen any ads from the TV itself (the apps running on the Apple TV are another story), and it can't phone home about what I'm watching or otherwise doing with the TV.

> and it can't phone home about what I'm watching or otherwise doing with the TV Are you sure? The old idea of giving TVs built-in cellular backup connection is probably still too risky/expensive - dealing with people extracting and repurposing the SIM card with a free (for them) data plan is a hassle. But what about eSIM ?

Why bother with an esim, when you can use something like Amazon Sidewalk, just use whatever nearby Echo or other device to send whatever small data packets

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Post by Levitating »

teeray wrote: post #105

I feel like this will be a spectacular flop. It’s the first major new Apple product announcement that I completely forgot about (and I mean completely) in the time between announcement and ordering. Nobody I know is even talking about it, unlike when the Apple Watch came out, or the iPad. The experience needs to be as life-changing as the iPhone if you’re going to normalize people wearing ski goggles around the house…

It is already a success. You're talking about it, I am talking about. I haven't owned an Apple device in 10 years and now I am watching a review of one. With phone tech bottoming out, Apple has got to do something to stay relevant. It also desensitizes us even more to expensive tech.

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Post by Levitating »

oatmeal1 wrote: post #55

> Apple is so incredibly capable, stocked with talent, and loaded with resources that the company simply went out and engineered the hell out of the hardest problems it could think of in order to find a challenge. That’s good! I think they knew before halfway through that it was not possible to build a practical product, but Apple thinks it's important to stay relevant and appear innovative, so they went along and bu…

> I'm not sure why they created and marketed so many dystopian features though.

Well they're not stupid and know/research their target customer. Apparently this is what people want?

I am confused why they didn't go with something like google glass.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by cubefox »

chris-orgmenta wrote: post #68
Topfi wrote: post #6

This is a very in-depth, informative and factual review. My hats off to the Verge; great job. I have racked up hours upon hours of actual, productive work in my Quest 2 and 3, so to say that I am a big proponent of the ideas that Apple is trying to advance would be an understatement. This makes me all the more disheartened to read that, for all their efforts, this release is mired by the same drawbacks that I have en…

Sorry for the slight tangent, but: What's the current state of VR&AR Headset friction / boot time? This is what I expected Apple to solve first. With VR/AR headsets, the friction to 'boot in' seems to be one of the biggest problems in adoption, and one that I feel Meta et al don't openly talk about. (Note, I am ignorant of this field in general). How close are we to seamless, quick boot, such that one puts on a heads…

One Apple Vision review mentioned that there is no "hot swapping" of the battery. Which means the headset shuts down when you swap the battery pack (which lasts 2 to 3 hours). They said booting it up again takes 30 to 40 seconds, if I remember correctly.

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Post by kccqzy »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #272
strunz wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you describe the tasks you will actually be doing like this and why this headset is actually helpful?

> the ability to walk around the room and place different open Safari windows and apps around my physical space as I think and study some new topic This seems like a perfectly reasonable task and why it is useful.

GP has said

> I plan to use it with a keyboard and mouse anyway

And judging from reviews this seems required for productivity.

I cannot imagine walking around the room with one hand holding a keyboard and another holding a mouse. Maybe they need to sell a contraption that straps a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to your body so much you can move around hands free?

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Post by cubefox »

wharvle wrote: post #138
chris-orgmenta wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that we should pretend that my question said "from standby" instead of "boot"

If it's like iOS devices, I'd assume less than a second to interactive, potentially so fast that most people don't notice it isn't instant. If it's like macOS, maybe 2-3 seconds to interactive.

It shuts down completely when the battery is unplugged / swapped. Very different from other Apple products. Boot time is 37 seconds according to https://youtube.com/watch?v=GkPw6ScHyb4&t=40m38s

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by quonn »

iteratethis wrote: post #280

This product, and every similar headset to follow will never appeal to a mass market for daily hours-long usage. It's uncomfortable, isolating, constraining, expensive, anti-social and its use cases are at best temporarily impressive but quickly grow old. The entire product category simply sucks. I'm sure the incidental 3D movie experience is great, but most people don't watch movies every single day for hours on end…

I can imagine a feature where multiple people using AVP in the same room are linked together so that some content is shared. Such as the TV or a Laptop or anything else.

Everything else seems to be more a question of price.

Maybe it will be useful in 20 years.

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Post by asadotzler »

LeafItAlone wrote: post #160
poulpy123 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well maybe not millions but "a lot"

Supposedly they’ve already sold ~200k. Before release. Before reviews of it. That’s still a far cry from “millions” (plural), but I wouldn’t be surprised.

Another way of phrasing that would be "they've already sold to the enthusiast crowd, so who is left" and that who will be people the enthusiasts and Apple marketing can convince. Will those 200K each convince several others to go out and get one? Will Apple commercials do it? I won't be surprised if Apple sells a couple million units. That will pale in comparison to headsets like the Quest which cost what a mid-range phone costs and not what a high end PC costs.

Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by [deleted] »

oatmeal1 wrote: post #166
GeekyBear wrote: post #37

Some other early reviews that are up: CNET - Apple Vision Pro Review: A Mind-Blowing Look at an Unfinished Future https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/apple-vision-pro-review-... WSJ - Apple Vision Pro Review: The Best Headset Yet Is Just a Glimpse of the Future https://www.wsj.com/tech/apple-vision-pro-review-39f2d82e?mo... Tom's Hardware - Apple Vision Pro review: A revolution in progress https://www.tomsguide.com/c…

Joanna Stern is an incredible reviewer.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it's not

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Post by thelastparadise »

bombcar wrote: post #16
Topfi wrote: post #6

This is a very in-depth, informative and factual review. My hats off to the Verge; great job. I have racked up hours upon hours of actual, productive work in my Quest 2 and 3, so to say that I am a big proponent of the ideas that Apple is trying to advance would be an understatement. This makes me all the more disheartened to read that, for all their efforts, this release is mired by the same drawbacks that I have en…

The whole thing feels very ... "original xbox" to me. Hear me out. It was argued that a big part of the original xbox for Microsoft was making sure they had a toehold in the gaming console market because that market had a change of disrupting the personal computer - and if that happened, they wanted to be there for it and have something ready to go. They did something similar with phones, and we can see how it specta…

Uh I guess you aren't respecting the NDA then?
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