This why I do startup. Nobody could ever fire you, it’s always your fault and you have opportunity to react. I have been in a position like her and I have been a founder since then.
I guess you don't value non-working hours much.
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#282I can relate this with a friend's experience.
I got him a job at our company, he got very good feedback from his manager for 3 months, and then, suddenly, they fired him because he was not fulfilling the expectation, even tho he had been praised for exceeding them some weeks ago.
Of course he took it personally, because they were saying that HE is not good enough.
One week later they announced massive layoffs and then we understood that it was because of this upcoming layoffs that he got fired, which is very unfair, because they blamed him (and made him feel guilty) when the company already knew the _real_ reason to fire him.
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#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nah, she did well by frustrating the process. Next time they’ll think twice before gaslighting and humiliating an employee. Telling her she was getting fired due to her own performance is just that. In my books she did well, hope she starts a gig on her own to never have to deal with NPCs such as those two. They feed on people’s misery.
Who , exactly, do you think is going to "think twice" next time? It's a bummer, but this is how this has been done for decades (generations?) and everybody knows it's how it's done, and that has in no way made companies "think twice" about business leaders assigning fairly low level employees or consultants to do these meetings just like this. There was a whole gag about exactly this in one of the last few episodes o…
> It's a bummer, but this is how this has been done for decades (generations?) and everybody knows it's how it's done, and that has in no way made companies "think twice" about business leaders assigning fairly low level employees or consultants to do these meetings just like this.
No, avoiding the words "we're laying you off" by lying about your performance and telling you that you're instead being fired is not "how this has been done for decades".
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#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would surprise me. Based on contact with their support + social media + communication here + being a customer + discord + attending, although infrequently, community calls. Since you posted the link and I see very little history here, I can't acknowledge your claim of authority yet and I can only suspect, without certainty, personal grievances or conflicts of interests. Additionally, I find the correlation betwe…
I didn't get to be a (retired) 100x engineer by posting on HN. I don't post stories regularly but did in this case because a friend sent me the link. I did post it to warn others about CF. > Since you posted the link and I see very little history here, I can't acknowledge your claim of authority yet and I can only suspect, without certainty, personal grievances or conflicts of interests. Suspect away. When someone yo…
I think you read too many hype terms, if you're referencing yourself as a 100x engineer.
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn't get to be a (retired) 100x engineer by posting on HN. I don't post stories regularly but did in this case because a friend sent me the link. I did post it to warn others about CF. > Since you posted the link and I see very little history here, I can't acknowledge your claim of authority yet and I can only suspect, without certainty, personal grievances or conflicts of interests. Suspect away. When someone yo…
I think you read too many hype terms, if you're referencing yourself as a 100x engineer.
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#287Don't you think it's also a problem of the corporate-kindergarten culture, where everyone and everything is considered great, even though, as a salesperson, they haven't closed any deals in the last four months?
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#288Feels like watching the film "Office Space".
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's extremely asymmetrical, too. I’ve lived a very different culture than you in the U.S. - to the degree I’m surprised to see you express this sentiment. In days of yore, people gave notice. But then a meme policy of “don’t poison the well” did the rounds. Roughly, the philosophy went: when someone is leaving they can only do harm; they are leaving, they have a convincing reason for leaving, and you don’t want th…
What do you mean immediately dismissed? Like you don't have to go to work but still get paid, right? Or do they get fired? After they quit?
I took it to mean "fired", as in "today is your last day of work and you're not getting paid anymore".
"Dismiss" is a fairly common euphemism for "fire", like "let go".
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> The employee admits having closed zero sales. You clearly have no experience in sales--especially enterprise sales. 1) No responsible sales organization is going to let a brand new hire alone with a client under 6 months. 2) You aren't selling shit to enterprise from Mid-November until after the first week of January. 3) She barely had a single quarter to get some company to add her to a budget and close a sale. No…
Do you think it's impossible to fire a sales person for performance reasons in under 6 months then?
Unless you're egregiously bad at your job, getting fired for performance should never be a surprise. She says she'd had nothing but positive performance reviews until the day she was fired, so unless you think she's lying I see two possibilities:
1. Her performance was subpar but Cloudflare told her to keep doing what she was doing.
2. Her performance was fine but the Cloudflare are full of shit.
Either way it's not a good look for Cloudflare.