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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 5:33 PM UTC

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #186

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #167

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Yeah, there's this weird stigma about making typos, but in the end writing online is about communication and making yourself understandable. Typos here and there don't make a difference and thinking otherwise seems like some needless "intellectual" superiority competition. Growing up people associate it with intelligence so many times, it's hard to not feel ashamed when making typos.

> Growing up people associate it with intelligence so many times, it's hard to not feel ashamed when making typos. I mean, maybe you should? Like... everything has a spell checker now. The browser I'm typing this comment in, in a textarea input with ZERO features (not a complaint HN, just an observation, simple is good) has a functioning spellcheck that has already flagged for me like 6 errors, most of which I have g…

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by itsboring » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 5:34 PM UTC

MichaelZuo wrote: post #265

lambda_garden wrote: post #243

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Think how many game developers were able to realize their vision because Unity3D was accessible to them but raw C++ programming was not. We may see similar outcomes for other budding artists with the help of AI models. I'm quite excited!

Except 'their vision' is practically homogeneous. I can't think even think of a dozen Unity games that broke the mould, and genuinely stand out, out of the many tens of thousands (?). There's Genshin Impact, Pokemon Go, Superhot, Beat Saber, Monument Valley, Subnautica, Among Us, Rust, Cities:Skylines (maybe), Ori (maybe), COD:Mobile (maybe) and...?

and Outer Wilds!

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by waveBidder » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 5:35 PM UTC

tonymet wrote: post #240

trey-jones wrote: post #193

Before the "AI" takeover, it was already full of SEO-mandated human-generated bullshit, so we haven't actually lost that much in the last couple of years. I've been saying it for almost as long as I've been in the industry, which is well over a decade now.

If this is true it implies all news and history for the past 10 years is also human-generated bullshit. I’m not saying you’re wrong – just that you have to follow your beliefs to their conclusions.

humans are quite capable of generating bullshit, I don't think that's ever been in contention. doesn't mean all or even most human generated content is garbage.

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Post by BeFlatXIII » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 5:35 PM UTC

asylteltine wrote: post #91

peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

That’s true. I thought I missed the internet before ClosedAI ruined it but man, I would love to go back to 2020 internet now. LLM research is going to be the downfall of society in so many ways. Even at a basic level my friend is taking a masters and EVERYONE is using chatgpt for responses. It’s so obvious with the PC way it phrases things and then summarizes it at the end. I hope they just get expelled.

Is it a master's in an important field or just one of those masters that's a requirement for job advancement but primarily exists to harvest tuition money for the schools?

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Post by robocat » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 5:35 PM UTC

bluefirebrand wrote: post #206

cauliflower99 wrote: post #134

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Interesting idea. Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Or maybe it would be a combination of pre-AI content plus some extra barriers to entry for newer content that would increase the likelihood the content was generated by real people?

I'm in the camp where I want AI and automation to free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history. I don't want AI to be at the forefront of all new media and artwork. That's a terrible outcome to me. And honestly there's already too much "content" in the world and being produced every day, and it seems like every time we step further up the "content…

> free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history.

This experiment has been run in most wealthy nations and the artwork renaissance didn't happen.

Most older people don't do arts/sciences when they retire from work.

From what I see of younger people that no longer have to work (for whatever reason) neither do younger people become artists given the opportunity.

Or look at what people of working age do with their free time in evenings or weekends after they've done their work for the week. Expect people freed from work to do more of the same as what they currently do in evenings/weekends: don't expect people will suddenly do something "productive".

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Post by monkeynotes » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 5:35 PM UTC

asylteltine wrote: post #91

peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

That’s true. I thought I missed the internet before ClosedAI ruined it but man, I would love to go back to 2020 internet now. LLM research is going to be the downfall of society in so many ways. Even at a basic level my friend is taking a masters and EVERYONE is using chatgpt for responses. It’s so obvious with the PC way it phrases things and then summarizes it at the end. I hope they just get expelled.

I think this is hyperbole, and similar to various techno fears throughout the ages.

Books were seen by intellectuals as being the downfall of society. If everyone is educated they'll challenge dogma of the church, for one.

So looking at prior transformational technology I think we'll be just fine. Life may be forever changed for sure, but I think we'll crack reliability and we'll just cope with intelligence being a non-scarce commodity available to anyone.

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Post by elteto » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 5:36 PM UTC

7thaccount wrote: post #175

WJW wrote: post #117

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The web was invented in 1989, so mostly it didn't. Before that there were BBSes that you could dial into. From there, you could chat with other users who happened to be logged onto the same server or download text documents and whatnot that others had uploaded.

Ah. Yeah it's those BBS's I've heard of that sound kind of cool. I'm sure they mostly sucked, but the idea sounds cool.

Well, you were siloed to whatever _local_ BBSs existed and you could dial without paying a fortune for long distance calls. If you lived anywhere outside select urban centers then you were out of luck. So yeah... let's count our blessings.

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Post by monkeynotes » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 5:36 PM UTC

mvdtnz wrote: post #253

j0hnyl wrote: post #127

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I don't see how this points to downfall of society. IMO it's clearly a paradigm shift that we need to adjust to and adjustment periods are uncomfortable and can last a long time. LLMs are massive productivity boosters.

> LLMs are massive productivity boosters. Only if your product is bullshit.

What's new about that? Any bullshit product is bullshit.

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Post by BeFlatXIII » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 5:36 PM UTC

mvdtnz wrote: post #253

j0hnyl wrote: post #127

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I don't see how this points to downfall of society. IMO it's clearly a paradigm shift that we need to adjust to and adjustment periods are uncomfortable and can last a long time. LLMs are massive productivity boosters.

> LLMs are massive productivity boosters. Only if your product is bullshit.

Only if you don't proofread or do a cleanup pass is it dogshit.

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Post by globular-toast » Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 5:37 PM UTC

peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

There might be a reversal. Humans might start intentionally misspelling stuff in novel ways to signal that they are really human. Gen Zs already don't use capitals or any other punctuation.