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Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by flashback2199 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #244
flashback2199 wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure if you personally drove a new car off the lot and the door fell off you would not believe that quality were unchanged from your prior impression of that car company. Just because it's happening to other people doesn't make it okay to hand-wave away safety. And by the way, so far NTSB believes it's not a fabrication error but an assembly error. NTSB suspects 4 bolts were never screwed in.

> if you personally drove a new car off the lot and the door fell off you would not believe that quality were unchanged from your prior impression of that car company As a layman, no. Were I looking for more than a Twitter level of analysis, it would be an indication for investigation. Not grounds for conclusion. More directly, even as a layman, if I were to use that anecdote as grounds to condemn the state of car ma…

NTSB are doing that lab work right now in Washington D.C.

You seem to not know the meaning of suspect, so here is the definition:

Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more sus·pect verb 3rd person present: suspects /səˈspek(t)/ 1. have an idea or impression of the existence, presence, or truth of (something) without certain proof. "if you suspect a gas leak, do not turn on an electric light"

Have a great day sir.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by kube-system »

consumer451 wrote: post #271
kube-system wrote: post #77

A lot of people don't realize that the fuselage of this plane isn't even made by Boeing, it's made by Spirit AeroSystems which also makes components for Airbus. We don't really know who to blame here until the investigation concludes.

The 737 fuselage is shipped from Spirit to Boeing without an interior. The door plugs are removed by Boeing during the interior installation. It is up to Boeing to reinstall them properly. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38920716

We don't know whether the reason they are failing is due to an installation issue or not.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by lolwutnaow29 »

i_am_jl wrote: post #169
dingnuts wrote: post #133

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is a 737 MAX even a sufficiently specific identifier? I thought this issue was specifically to do with the 737 MAX 8

MAX 8 had the MCAS problems. The recent plug door issues are affecting MAX 9s.

Can't wait to see what the MAX 10 has to offer!

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by StreetChief »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #147
flashback2199 wrote: post #114

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The only reason nobody was injured this time was nobody was sitting in the seats next to the door plug that blew off. The seat was destroyed.

> only reason nobody was injured this time was nobody was sitting in the seats next to the door plug This was a serious fuck-up. But it remains that there was at risk no more than one, maybe two, fatalities. That isn’t enough to justify the claim that “safety is getting worse.”

"Only two people would have died, so it's really not that bad," is wild. What if it were you sitting at that seat and you died? Still not that bad an outcome?

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by sorokod »

kube-system wrote: post #77

A lot of people don't realize that the fuselage of this plane isn't even made by Boeing, it's made by Spirit AeroSystems which also makes components for Airbus. We don't really know who to blame here until the investigation concludes.

Spirit AeroSystems may have it's own subcontractors, they may have their own, etc... and buck needs to stop somewhere.

The the airliner is called "Boeing 737 MAX" and not "Spirit AeroSystems - Boeing 737 MAX" which makes it pretty clear where overall accountability sits.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by madeofpalk »

JoshTko wrote: post #122
jacksoncheek wrote: post #100

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Yeah, the data source is imperfect. The flight information pulls the "nearest" (live, scheduled or landed) flight that matches that flight number, to give you a sense of the aircraft on that route.

Seems like a fatal flaw in the product where precision is the most important aspect.

It’s next to impossible to actually answer this precisely at any time 3 hours before departure for airlines that fly both Airbus and Boeing.

There will be specific planes scheduled for the flight in advanced, but it changes frequently up until departure due to regular airline logistics.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by flashback2199 »

stouset wrote: post #261
flashback2199 wrote: post #247

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> Nobody is saying that this isn’t a serious fuckup TIL half the people commenting here are nobody :)

I think you’re misunderstanding the comments. This was a problem, it needs to be investigated and fixed, but the overreaction to this is bordering on insanity. Commercial aviation in the U.S. is still incomprehensibly safe. It is not getting measurably less safe. The 737 MAX line are not death traps.

> the overreaction to this is bordering on insanity

Not an overreaction. Not bolting on a door on a brand new plane is past bordering into full-on insanity.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by kube-system »

sorokod wrote: post #285
kube-system wrote: post #77

A lot of people don't realize that the fuselage of this plane isn't even made by Boeing, it's made by Spirit AeroSystems which also makes components for Airbus. We don't really know who to blame here until the investigation concludes.

Spirit AeroSystems may have it's own subcontractors, they may have their own, etc... and buck needs to stop somewhere. The the airliner is called "Boeing 737 MAX" and not "Spirit AeroSystems - Boeing 737 MAX" which makes it pretty clear where overall accountability sits.

Right, but this website isn't for regulators to assign accountability. This website is for people to choose what plane they fly on.

Choosing to not to fly on a MAX 8 because a MAX 9 has a part that is failing, is jumping to conclusions. If someone wants to jump that far, maybe they should avoid the Airbus A220 because it has wings made by Spirit AeroSystems. There's a lot of finger pointing going on when nobody knows why the doors are falling off yet.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by [deleted] »

jmward01 wrote: post #234
spaceywilly wrote: post #183

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I don’t want innovation that comes at the expense of human lives. The same thing is going on with self driving cars right now. It is wild to me that they aren’t required to follow the same regulations as airliners. The safety record of commercial airliners should be help up as an example of how the system works. It’s proof that we can set aside corporate greed and design systems that are safe if we want to. The way t…

> I don’t want innovation that comes at the expense of human lives. The same thing is going on with self driving cars right now. It is wild to me that they aren’t required to follow the same regulations as airliners If self driving cars follow the airline model we won't see them for, at best, decades. That is decades of 40k deaths a year in the current human driven model. Self driving cars have the potential to drop…

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