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Re: Gentoo goes Binary

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Post by globular-toast »

gtirloni wrote: post #170
connorgutman wrote: post #166

Disclaimer: I am a die-hard Gentoo fan. The appeal of Gentoo is not compiling everything from source, it's having the freedom to install anything you want on nearly any hardware all with stellar documentation and minimal roadblocks. Want to run Enlightenment with OpenRC and NetworkManager on a laptop from 2008? Install Gentoo! Want ZFS as root on a smart refrigerator? Install Gentoo! Want a vanilla Gnome + SystemD in…

I feel like the Gentoo userbase has been stolen in part by Arch these days.

Yes, but it's a shame. Especially now Gentoo has these binary packages there's really no reason to choose arch. Arch is like "choose any system you want, as long as it's x86-64, systemd etc"

Re: Gentoo goes Binary

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Post by globular-toast »

Tommstein wrote: post #244
gtirloni wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the Gentoo userbase has been stolen in part by Arch these days.

Exactly my case. Used to use Gentoo, got tired of every other update breaking the system, was told on IRC that if I didn't like "free" updates (because apparently my time and serenity have no value) perpetually breaking the system I could go use something else, and that's exactly what I did. Arch is solid.

I've broken Arch before but I've never broken Gentoo. Probably because I broke Arch first and learnt from it. You broke Gentoo first.

Re: Gentoo goes Binary

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Post by fidelramos »

nixgeek wrote: post #259
oniony wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arch is literally the easiest thing to maintain. I've been running it for over fifteen years, update maybe once a year at most and 99% of the time it's a case of running pacdiff and updating a handful of config files.

In 1998, Debian was a great option for SPARC and Alpha, and that’s really where I cut my teeth with Linux. Around 2004, I was building Gentoo up from stage1 just like many other commenters. For 2024 and personal stuff I’m back on Debian and it’s safe enough I pull security updates daily - entirely automated and no review on my part. It essentially never causes a problem. Updating once a year sounds terrifying to me g…

I also got in GNU/Linux in 1998. Dipped my toes with Mandrake, then Debian, and around 2012 switched to Kubuntu.

Now I'm in the process of moving my desktop computers to Archlinux, to enjoy better control and up-to-date software.

Servers I keep in Debian for the same reasons you mention: stability and safe automated updates.

Re: Gentoo goes Binary

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Post by 1oooqooq »

chpatrick wrote: post #101
1oooqooq wrote: post #63

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you build "impure" (in nixos speak) packages for all your software? if not this is not a close comparisson. gentoo shines when you need system wide control of build flags (for perf or security)

I don't know what you mean by impure package. You can modify the build of any nix package and it will rebuild everything just like Gentoo. I don't personally believe in the CFLAGS "performance" micro-optimization though so that's not really something that matters to me. Security is pretty hardened by default on Nix: https://nixos.org/manual/nixpkgs/stable/#sec-hardening-flags...

> I don't know what you mean by impure package.

Then you haven't read their own docs but are providing lessons online for it :/

I used quotes because it is their term for that procedure.

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