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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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> Kurtaj managed to breach Rockstar, the company behind GTA, using an Amazon Firestick, his hotel TV and a mobile phone. That's quite a feat. > Rockstar Games alone told the court that the hack cost it $5m to recover from plus thousands of hours of staff time. Either the kid is a genius or Rockstar really don't value their security much. Or maybe a bit of both?

> That's quite a feat. Is it? I don't see what the big deal is in installing a chrooted Linux environment (or SSH/RDP client to remote into an external machine) in an Android device? The fact this is even mentioned really smells like they're trying to make this guy sound more skilled and evil than he really is, potentially also to cover up for the fact that the police made an oversight in letting him be around intern…

> I don't see what the big deal is in installing a chrooted Linux environment (or SSH/RDP client to remote into an external machine) in an Android device?

Installing it is nothing: 2 touches away. But using this crappy Android experience (where the on screen keyboard obscures half of your terminal) shows talent and dedication.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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As someone with autism, I lack empathy for (most) fake situations. Once I realized therapists and their ilk were lying about sad stories, I stopped having empathy for those sad situations. Ditto for fake news stories. Only mentally unfit people can pass a therapist's tests and be empathetic for people they know do not exist.

I'm not saying what you're saying is invalid, but I do have empathy for people that don't exist. It's called fiction and I find it quite enjoyable.

Oof, hopethis makes parent think.

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That’s correct, but it’s not a “monumental waste of talent”

Can you break into Rockstar while in police custody using a fire stick? Didn’t think so.

I mean, he had a phone too. The firestick is a red herring the BBC are using to sensationalise the situation.

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> That's quite a feat. Is it? I don't see what the big deal is in installing a chrooted Linux environment (or SSH/RDP client to remote into an external machine) in an Android device? The fact this is even mentioned really smells like they're trying to make this guy sound more skilled and evil than he really is, potentially also to cover up for the fact that the police made an oversight in letting him be around intern…

> I don't see what the big deal is in installing a chrooted Linux environment (or SSH/RDP client to remote into an external machine) in an Android device? Installing it is nothing: 2 touches away. But using this crappy Android experience (where the on screen keyboard obscures half of your terminal) shows talent and dedication.

I imagine this is where the Firestick and TV came in - screencast termux or ConnectBot to the TV so you can use the phone in horizontal mode as a larger keyboard.

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This is an 18 year old kid.

We were all 18 year olds, but we (hopefully) never stalked and harassed women, as is noted in TFA. And don't use autism as an excuse - my mother teaches autistic teenagers and none of them have committed amoral stuff such as violence and harassment. Also, an 18 year old is an adult.

Autism is a spectrum.

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This is an 18 year old kid.

The idea that we should, to some extent, excuse physical violence for 18-year-olds is disturbing.

The idea that we should, to some extent, organize society around neurotics to the detriment of young boys is disturbing.

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A valid diagnosis of one condition doesn’t preclude a litany of seriously dangerous other ones, either, correct?

You might as well say "He has psoriasis, he might also be an axe murderer." No, one fact doesn't preclude the existence of other facts, very good. That doesn't mean that making stigmatising connections is reasonable.

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> This sounds too fantastical to be true. Use Firestick as RDP/VNC client, use mobile phone for internet, obtain keyboard from Amazon Shopping, remote into a VM, proceed as usual?

Like sure, it is technically possible he runs termux, has all of his hacking tools available, and is amazingly good with an onscreen keyboard. That being said, if this were an episode of CSI, I would be rolling my eyes.

It really doesn’t sound that crazy. Like, almost everyone on this forum is capable of doing this from a technical perspective, right? Almost none of us would have the desire to do this, but we could figure it out if we did…

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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I'm not saying what you're saying is invalid, but I do have empathy for people that don't exist. It's called fiction and I find it quite enjoyable.

Oof, hopethis makes parent think.

Let's flip this around: think about what you just said.

you seem to be implying that feeling empathy for characters in work of fiction is clearly "normal" if somebody doesn't think that way it should give them pause. What you said may be construed as "hey you freak, if you only think for a moment you'll obviously notice that it's perfectly normal to feel empathy for fictional people, after all story telling is such a fundamental human feature that if you're not feeling that way there must be something wrong with you or at the very least it's you're fault because you're not thinking hard enough about that".

Of course, I'm not saying you actually believe that or accuse GP of that, but words and tone matters and can hurt. Think about that

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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You might as well say "He has psoriasis, he might also be an axe murderer." No, one fact doesn't preclude the existence of other facts, very good. That doesn't mean that making stigmatising connections is reasonable.

There was no connection made, GP merely pointed out their observation based on what he has done so far

He's a kid that "found" some pictures of an upcoming game, using dodgy means. But these pictures were publicly accessible, he didn't deceive an actual human to get them. Making them hidden, but public was a mistake by the company.

The real reason this happens is that the police doesn't understand, wants to punish the kid ... and youth services has lobbied so that locking up minors DOES NOT REQUIRE PROOF at trial, does not even require an actual accusation of a crime, in fact the kid gets none of the normal legal protections (because this is a 6 month prison sentence, in that the kid gets locked up, and could be an 18 month prison sentence)

During this time, the kid will be denied school, denied access to internet, books, friends, most of his family, he will be physically locked up (sometimes in solitary, although they get regularly accused of locking up autistic individuals for weeks/months). Oh and there is CONSTANT violence in these places.

But fundamentally this happens because there's no fair trial for minors. Why not? Youth "protection" keeps complaining that with the actual legal rights they can't do their job (or arguably even human rights, schooling, not being locked up unless convicted with full legal rights (not the case here), not locking up long times in solitary unless absolutely unavoidable (ie. NOT because of lack of funds and therefore no personnel for supervision), ...)

A fair trial against this kid would have failed since he was caught by illegal means (the police committed a crime to lure him into a trap, which is NOT legal, and frankly totally immoral).

I hope if you do security related work, remember this case. If you expose a security vulnerability, and get offered a job, there's now many examples of that job being an excuse to get you thrown into prison for years. Oh, and DESPITE this being totally illegal for the police to do.

Youth services can't do their job with normal legal rights for minors, because minors talk, and are aware with youth services offers (getting locked up without school, without friends/family, with constant punishment, and then at the end of it getting kicked into the street without any help). Although Youth Services lies about this to kids, it tends to be well known in the cities and "results in a lack of cooperation" (translation: kids, correctly, reason that they're better off abused than helped by Youth services). Oh and it doesn't help. Especially because the "kicked to the street" part, especially kids that don't have parental support for some reason, immediately turn to crime. And, of course, after a place like this, they don't want to be helped by anyone and hate the police.

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