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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Another good example of resilience.

Bound to return to its peak population of 1.85 million any day now... Cities always come back, something, something.

Rome hasn’t been the seat of empire for over a thousand years but it’s a rather nice place to live in today.

Detroit won’t return to the way it used to be, but it will regain its footing in its own way over time.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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The "resilience" argument was misused and misapplied during the pandemic. You also saw it used for school closures -- "kids are resilient". It seems to justify inflicting known harms by having faith in "resilience".

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

How many kids not learning to read is an elderly life worth? Kids not eating? Child abuse going unreported and unchecked?

How many years of learning loss is “just wanting to see grandkids” worth?

And when did the benefits of closing school stop being worthwhile-how many years after the vaccine was widely available? Because the ongoing disruptions to education were measured in years- all while grandma and grandpa were living it up at bars and restaurants.

Are you factoring in the many other ways that children and families could be kept safe (masking, air filtration, UV sanitizing, outdoor classrooms+heaters, etc)?

The pushback on school closures isn’t because people hate grandma, it’s because some people are capable of a cost-benefit analysis and looking at second order effects when we do so. “Hurt millions of kids to spare thousands of grandmas” folks made me lose my faith in humanity.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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The comptroller’s report makes it look more like white flight. Especially figure 6.

It's the opposite. Minorities are being pushed out. > Among those who left the city in 2022, 64% were non-White, which was higher than the 58% in 2021 and the 62% in 2019 and 2018. From April 2020 to June 2022, the population of all major racial and ethnic groups declined after a decade of increases, but did so at varying rates. White and Black populations in the city fell 6.7% and 6.0% respectively — greater than th…

Umm, NYC is 30% white (so, 70% non-white). If among those who left were 64% non-white (or 36% white), if anything, whites are disproportionately being pushed out.

Although I would not say there was any group who is a majority in NYC.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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The comptroller’s report makes it look more like white flight. Especially figure 6.

I was there from 2012 to 2022 (with a year or two in DC). If my circles are any indication, and they are, it was “cramped in a one bedroom apartment for two years working jobs we could do from anywhere”-flight. I live on 1.33 acres and have a dog now.

Although I would say it's been the case for a long time that people who move to NYC to take a job (typically in the finance industry) after graduation tend to move out in ten years or less. A bunch of people from my graduating class moved to NYC and very few of that cohort I stayed in touch with were still there after a decade.

An interesting possible dynamic is that long-term dynamic stays in place but fewer new people move in.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Where did they move? (FL?)

What's the big draw with Florida?

The amount of money you can save moving from NYC to Miami starts to become pretty substantial if you make over 400K, and Miami has basically all of amenities of NYC with less bullshit. Miami is far from perfect obviously, traffic is horrible, the NYC food scene is much better, and there are probably a lot more people with guns.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

> covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. Was someone forcing the grandparents to visit their infected grandchildren? In my own case, I didn't see my own grandmother for two years during COVID other than via Zoom/FaceTime. She has a history of bad lung infections, so none of us wanted to get her sick.…

> In my own case, I didn't see my own grandmother for two years during COVID other than via Zoom/FaceTime. She has a history of bad lung infections, so none of us wanted to get her sick.

Absolutely! I was already under personal quarantine of sorts before the pandemic even started, because I had immune compromised people under my care. I would bever expect society to turn itself upside down to accommodate my particular situation.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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> The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity. Or you could reasonably conclude that the policies enacted during COVID are yet another example of how we prioritize the elderly over children in the United States, arguably because children don't vote and the elderly do.…

It wasn't just the elderly. Pretty much anyone over 50 was at higher risk. I'll point out again, covid killed over 1 million people in the US alone. That doesn't even account for the ~ 10% of infected who got stuck with the lingering effects of long covid. Yeah, we asked kids to attend school remotely from home. Some didn't have parents that kept them on task, and suffered. The pandemic was hard on everyone, but even…

I don't generally agree with parent's needless reduction to 'protect 90 years old to get to 91', but can't we agree that whole schooling from home was pretty badly mishandled literally everywhere?

Not sure how we can isolate and measure just school-from-home effect on kids across age groups, various places etc. but I strongly believe there was some harm and it was not tiny. How much, and if not temporary again I can't say (but maybe some huge long term stats on things like grades, counseling frequency, suicides, BMI etc. can, but who knows if they won't show just 2nd order effect of parents suffering too).

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Reported crimes. Keep in mind NYPD had its budget cut by billions of dollars and lost record numbers of officers over the same period. Part of accurate crime statistics is actually finding an officer to report a crime to and then them giving you the time of day. And that's if you haven't given up on the city already and aren't "mindin' yo own business". I lived in NYC from 1984 through 2021 and I can tell you unequiv…

> Keep in mind NYPD had its budget cut by billions of dollar Where do you see that? Looking at their spending, that does not seem to be the case: https://ibo.nyc.ny.us/RevenueSpending/nypd.html Anyway, wasn't the election of former police officer Eric Adams supposed to be a turning point for the city? Did the tough-on-crime mayor not have a measurable impact on crime? I noticed in San Francisco they elected a moderat…

> Where do you see that?

OP is incorrect. The NYPD has had its budget consistently increased each year.

There is one asterisk, in 2020, where the then-speaker attempted to hide the increases to the police budget by allocating the funding for police embedded in schools to the Department of Education, but this was caught pretty quickly. So the actual total amount budgeted for police up-front did not decrease, and of course the amount actually paid was much higher (because the police have gone over their budget every year consistently for a very long time).

There wasn't much support among elected officials for actually decreasing police funding. The mayor at the time made a pretty mild criticism of police violence and then the police union threatened to assault his daughter, so he reversed course and that didn't leave much room for even lip service to reducing police funding from the top.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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As well they should have. You realize you don't need a gym to exercise right? Walking and body weight exercises are totally sufficient and free.

In some countries, simply walking in the park was an offense that would involve the police.

Nothing says public safety like taking a not-dangerous situation and making it worse.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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> "tier 2" cities in the US actually have most/all of the food, culture, and activities that they think are exclusive to New York. I'm not knocking tier 2 cities or advocating NY, but that's just not true. Some people don't value what NY has to offer - the elite, the center of the world in arts, business, food, talent, etc etc. If you don't value it, absolutely don't pay for it - pay for things that you value. If you…

> Some people don't value what NY has to offer - the elite, the center of the world in arts, business, food, talent, etc etc. If you don't value it, absolutely don't pay for it - pay for things that you value. If you do value those things, there is no place else in the US, and with some exceptions, the world. I have a question for people who say this: Have you ever actually lived in any metropolitan area outside New…

I would maybe keep SF and LA as tier 1.5 (ignoring the fact that LA is mostly a collection of suburbs) given their presence at the global scale, but there is a drop-off in tiers for all other cities. Chicago is a great example, it's usually considered a sister city to NYC, but as someone who grew up there and then later spent time in NYC, the differences in cultural attitudes between the two could not be starker.
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