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Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Well, neither is the rocket.

More of a 500 class error on the rocket however.

Try / Catch / Explode.

Edit: This is basically how automated FTS works, folks. Follow parameters of the flight, and if an "exception" occurs, solve the situation by exploding the rocket over a safe spot, before it veers too much off course.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Second stage lost, looks like the flight termination system did its job. Unknown as to why yet. Going to be very very interesting to see the data that's released from this as well as all the higher quality video/stills that surface.

AFTS activation indicates deviation from planned trajectory. It's unusual, being so late in the burn. Could be a guidance issue, but SpaceX should be pretty good at that by now. Could be engine underperformance, but we got nominal callouts and it would have to be pretty bad for AFTS to notice with minutes left, so that seems unlikely. I'd guess engine control (due to damage during staging) is the main suspect. We say…

I wonder if something happened at around T+7:39. There is a rather sudden and large plume when the starship should've been in steady state.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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I suspect Starship would also go a lot faster with the weight of the President directly behind it, helping to remove those pesky regulatory issues :)

Start of the Apollo program literally precedes the Clean Air Act, establishment of EPA etc. When the government decided to build Kennedy Space Center in Florida wilderness, they just did. No lengthy environmental impact assessment process in the way.

Sure, but most of the (anyways rapid) turnaround time from Starship launch #1 to #2 was rebuilding and deluge system .. can't be more than a month or two max delay attributed to regulations.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Start of the Apollo program literally precedes the Clean Air Act, establishment of EPA etc. When the government decided to build Kennedy Space Center in Florida wilderness, they just did. No lengthy environmental impact assessment process in the way.

Sure, but most of the (anyways rapid) turnaround time from Starship launch #1 to #2 was rebuilding and deluge system .. can't be more than a month or two max delay attributed to regulations.

True, this was a major engineering obstacle that had to be overcome.

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Imagine explaining to the court that the passengers were blown up by your AI algorithm... I expect these things are only on test flights indeed.

I'm pretty sure Falcon 9 carrying crew has an AFTS. Challenger was destroyed by an FTS system as well despite having crew on board. I think it's just a risk you have to take to go on a rocket ride.

The Crew Dragon capsule has escape rockets that will fire as part of the flight termination system to carry the crew safely away.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_Dragon_In-Flight_Abort_Te...

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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I would recommend using the Nasa link posted above, since it's on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOI35G7cP7o

> the Nasa link *NASASpaceflight NASASpaceflight.com (and their Youtube channel) has no affiliation with NASA.

When I first saw this branding, I was also confused.

It's extremely sketchy, and I wish NASA would do something to protect their trademark.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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Im not interpreting their message as negative. Something obviously went wrong, the termination system was activated, and it blew up. Thats what it’s supposed to do when activated.

>Im not interpreting their message as negative. But shouldn't it be interpreted as negative? It blew up.

...and blowing things up, when nobody gets hurt, is a lot of fun.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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I am watching it here: https://www.youtube.com/live/6na40SqzYnU?si=t8iwk8rO3lAtF6wj Everyday Astronaut on youtube.

Their commenting be like: Oh my god! Oh my god! Oh my god! Oh my god! Oh my god!

Indeed, absolutely unbearable.

Re: Starship Integrated Flight Test 2 at 7 Am Central Time

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And the fact that it survived long enough for the second stage to get on its way was incredible in itself. We'll see how it goes!

Both the booster and ship have been destroyed. SpaceX can keep claiming these RUDs are 'fine' and 'we're getting data', but the rest of the industry does not consider it normal or a "success." Hotstaging didn't "work" until they can demonstrate the Starship vehicle survives orbital insertion, re-entry, and landing without damage or malfunction caused by the hotstaging.

I'm sorry, what's that, something about failure? I can't hear you over the thunderous roar of cheers from the Spacex engineering team after stage separation.

https://youtu.be/w9OsSN2kJrk?si=FZ30c9jmkMOmYo3n&t=180

Certainly doesn't sound like the folks who built the thing thought it was a failure.

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