Dumb TVs are still a thing https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1629173-REG/nec_e658_...
There's also monitors... Who wants to watch TV anyways when you can download any content ad-free (I know that you can do the same on a TV though)
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#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not going to universally defend Apple (because no one can) but when you have to go back 10 years to come up with an example that as other commenters have noted was a supplier issue it’s not as strong an argument as you may think.
It was my last relationship with a new Mac, and it will remain that way. Why you want to attack my experience I'm uncertain.
I'm not attacking your experience, in the end you got burnt by this (regardless of who was at fault) and that was your experience. That's fair.
That said, as other commenters have noted it wasn't an Apple issue. Nvidia shirked responsibility and Apple stepped up. This is one of the examples where Apple has earned their reputation for user experience and overall "premium" brand halo. They took the loss and replaced any failures related to this fiasco for six years - well beyond the standard warranty period.
In another comment I noted my very poor experience with Framework. It was so bad I basically do what you do and trash them at every opportunity - to me they deserve it. You obviously feel the same way from your Apple experience. The difference is in my case they took no responsibility whatsoever and I'm left with a nearly-useless $3k machine. That's buying first gen hardware from a startup for you, and I should have known better. You bought hardware from a leading and well established brand where this never should have happened. That's far worse.
I mentioned the ten years because a decade in the life of a tech company that has sold billions of devices across multiple product lines and generations in the meantime is (in my mind) a pretty weak argument and borderline irrational stance. You're holding on to a decade old grudge against a brand that has famously happy, dedicated, and loyal users. Apple isn't the most valuable company in the world because your experience is anywhere near typical.
I would hope that in ten years time (or sooner) I will have gotten over my issues with Framework (if they're still around) and would be willing to try them again. I guess we'll see if I'm able to let it go by then.
Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads
#283Wonder if you can run Linux on these things. Running software you control is the best form of ad-block.
Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was my last relationship with a new Mac, and it will remain that way. Why you want to attack my experience I'm uncertain.
I'm not attacking your experience, in the end you got burnt by this (regardless of who was at fault) and that was your experience. That's fair. That said, as other commenters have noted it wasn't an Apple issue. Nvidia shirked responsibility and Apple stepped up. This is one of the examples where Apple has earned their reputation for user experience and overall "premium" brand halo. They took the loss and replaced an…
Apple made a bad computer by using components that were known to break down. Nvidia GPUs on mobile still break that way, and have broken in gaming laptops all the time. It took years for them to admit fault, by that time the computer was worthless. My friends Intel MacBook was good at first and it got worst and worst, he was glad he got applecare. His m1 Mac is doing great, but I'd call the quality closer to the consumer electronic I mentioned earlier. I've had other used MacBooks and laptops since, but apples customer service had gotten worst and there's long waits. If he didn't have apple care for the Intel one he would have hated his Mac too.
Framework is probably not going to be around in less than 10 years. I'm happy some products but not the Apple company. Waiting for hours to be sent away at the apple store is never a luxury and a dreadful experience.
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not attacking your experience, in the end you got burnt by this (regardless of who was at fault) and that was your experience. That's fair. That said, as other commenters have noted it wasn't an Apple issue. Nvidia shirked responsibility and Apple stepped up. This is one of the examples where Apple has earned their reputation for user experience and overall "premium" brand halo. They took the loss and replaced an…
Apple made a bad computer by using components that were known to break down. Nvidia GPUs on mobile still break that way, and have broken in gaming laptops all the time. It took years for them to admit fault, by that time the computer was worthless. My friends Intel MacBook was good at first and it got worst and worst, he was glad he got applecare. His m1 Mac is doing great, but I'd call the quality closer to the cons…
> components that were known to break down
If this was as obvious and well-known as you make it seem it boggles the mind how a primarily hardware company like Apple missed this. I suspect hindsight is 20/20 here. I also have two Nvidia Apple Intel Macbooks (one of which lives in my trunk) that weren't bit by this. Anecdotes, you know.
> My friends Intel MacBook was good at first and it got worst and worst
I'm sitting next to my 2013 Mac Book that I still use daily for occasional testing. The thing just won't die or give me any issues. Anecdotes.
> Waiting for hours to be sent away at the apple store is never a luxury and a dreadful experience.
They at least have the Apple Store available (show me another consumer hardware manufacturer that has anything similar), and needless to say your experiences (again) don't match mine. I've been to multiple Apple Stores in multiple states time and time again and never experienced this. The last time I was at their EXTREMELY busy store on Michigan Ave in Chicago I was in and out inside of 15 minutes. They just handed me a brand new Apple Watch (no AppleCare even) and offered to set it up for me (declined).
I'm not sure what's going on in your world but my social circle is almost exclusively iMessage-blue and I've never heard anything like this. Quite the contrary, actually, and reflective of their overall great reputation for customer service and support.
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple made a bad computer by using components that were known to break down. Nvidia GPUs on mobile still break that way, and have broken in gaming laptops all the time. It took years for them to admit fault, by that time the computer was worthless. My friends Intel MacBook was good at first and it got worst and worst, he was glad he got applecare. His m1 Mac is doing great, but I'd call the quality closer to the cons…
> components that were known to break down If this was as obvious and well-known as you make it seem it boggles the mind how a primarily hardware company like Apple missed this. I suspect hindsight is 20/20 here. I also have two Nvidia Apple Intel Macbooks (one of which lives in my trunk) that weren't bit by this. Anecdotes, you know. > My friends Intel MacBook was good at first and it got worst and worst I'm sitting…
Dedicated GPUs break on gaming laptops and do often. It's not unknown, apple underclocked it after to prevent it happening again. I love my Apple electronics but their Intel laptops sucked for me.
Now that you mention it, I had a bad experience with their batteries dying in the cold for a while, and luckily I had applecare and it took mutiple geniuses to decide it was a problem even though the problem was known.
It's funny, when I was in Chicago the Michigan one was always AWFUL for me (never helped, swamped with people, appointments were hard to come by) and the one by the Northside was awesome and much better with CS. Maybe management changed, but it's at best inconsistent with our experiences. The times I went in, I heard tons of other people with the same failures I had, some were sent away and some were helped.
How many times did you go to get problems fixed?
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't worry, smartphones will begin to fill the gaps, we pay for them, but the Industry does whatever it wants with them. In about a year, we may well have to watch 2 ads before making phone calls with the way things are going, while we of course pay even higher fees for mobile service (of course).
maybe on an android device but this is unheard of in the Apple ecosystem
iPhone have plenty of adverts. They’re just integrated in a way that you don’t always notice. Eg
- I just opened the App Store and the whole of the screen is taken up by two adverts.
- in settings, the 1st option is an add for Apple Care.
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#288Earlier quoted context omitted.
lol... give it time. Apple does NOT miss a nickel.
What a low-effort comment. Can you answer the question of how long Apple has made the Apple TV? Based on that history, how much time should we "give" for your prediction to come true? Please be specific.
Youre setting a false premise.
To answer your question: 1st generation: January 9, 2007; 16 years ago
Advertising wasn't the same in 2007, compared to 2023, so counting all of those years is disingenuous.
This is also a company that vigorously lobbies for anti-right-to-repair.
Lastly, youre defending a company that sells things like a $1k monitor stand, with a straight face. There is no justifiable reason for a basic monitor stand to be $1k. None. Zero. No, not even then.
GL with trusting Apple to not shaft its customers. There are many, many, examples to the contrary.
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
lol... give it time. Apple does NOT miss a nickel.
The original Apple TV was released in 2007, over sixteen years ago. How much time should we give it?
I would suggest we wait until you realize that advertising in 2007 was nothing like advertising in 2023, so counting the first 5-10 years is wholly inaccurate.
You may feel differently about that, since you're defending a company you apparently have loyalty to.
GL with that.
Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads
#290What am I missing here? I mean, why not just not plug an ad box into the internet? Either use cable or a PC and voila, no ads. Or are they somehow tying basic functions like displaying images sent to the port with ads?
You can still do that. Many do. But the next generation of TVs probably won't even deign to turn on without you giving them Internet access.
Ahh. ok..
Thanks!