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Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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The point is, OpenAI spent a lot of money on training on all these copyrighted materials ordinary individuals/companies don't have access to, so replicating their effort would mean that you either 1) spend a ridiculous amount of money, 2) use Library Genesis (and still pay millions for GPU usage). So we have very little choice now. Open Source LLMs might be getting close to ChatGPT3 (opinions vary), but OpenAI is sti…

the choice is to live 2 years behind (e.g. integrate the open source stuff and ride that wave of improvement). for businesses in a competitive space, that’s perhaps untenable. but for individuals and anywhere else where this stuff is just a “nice to have”, that’s really just the long-term sustainable approach. it reminds me of a choice like “do i host my website on a Windows Server, or a Linux box” at a time when bot…

> the choice is to live 2 years behind...

That's one world - there is another where the time gap grows a lot more as the compute and training requirements continue to rise.

Microsoft will probably be willing to spend multiple billions in compute to help train GPT5, so it depends how much investment open source projects can get to compete. Seems like it's down to Meta, but it depends if they can continue to justify releasing future models as Open Source considering the investment required, or what licensing looks like.

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Phind is pretty good for coding (LLama 2 trained on billions of extra code tokens) and is still up https://www.phind.com/s

The first coding question I tested it on, it gave me something completely wrong and it was pretty easy stuff, I’m sure it gets a lot right but this just shows unreliability

Phind for me has worked pretty bleh compared to just back and forth conversation with a python GPT4 bot I made lol.

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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the choice is to live 2 years behind (e.g. integrate the open source stuff and ride that wave of improvement). for businesses in a competitive space, that’s perhaps untenable. but for individuals and anywhere else where this stuff is just a “nice to have”, that’s really just the long-term sustainable approach. it reminds me of a choice like “do i host my website on a Windows Server, or a Linux box” at a time when bot…

For individuals, this is a very short window of time where we have cheap access to an actually useful, and relatively unshackled SOTA model[0]. This is the rare time individuals can empower themselves, become briefly better at whatever it is they're doing, expand their skills, cut through tedium, let their creativity bloom. It's only a matter of time before many a corporation and startup parcel it all between themsel…

> Benefits are too great, and worst that can happen is... going back to where one is now.

true only if there's no form of lock-in. OpenAI is partnered with people who have decades of tech + business experience now: if they're not actively increasing that lock-in as we speak then frankly, they suck at their jobs (and i don't think they suck at their jobs).

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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I say this as a huge fan of GPT, but it's amazing to me how terrible of a company OpenAI is and how quickly we've all latched onto their absolutely terrible platform. I had a bug that wouldn't let me login to my work OpenAI account at my new job 9 months ago. It took them 6 months to respond to my support request and they gave me a generic copy/paste answer that had nothing to do with my problem. We spend tons and to…

I've personally never scaled a B2B&C company from 0 to over 1 billion users in less than a year, but I do feel like it's probably pretty hard. Especially setting up something like a good support organization in a time of massive labor shortages seems like it would be pretty tough. I know they have money, but money isn't a magic wand for creating people. They could've also kept it a limited beta for much longer, but t…

I'm not judging them at all as I agree with your core statement, just saying it's quite remarkable that companies around the world who spend 6 months on MSA revisions in legal over nothing are now OK with a platform that takes 6 months to respond to support requests.

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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I used Google Bard for the first time today specifically because ChatGPT was down. It was honestly perfectly fine, but it has a slightly different tone than ChatGPT that's kind of hard to explain.

I used https://you.com/chat wasn't bad, they have a free month trial coupon "codegpt" for the GPT4 model and GPT3.5 is free ...

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Upgraded to "major" now. How am I supposed to get any work done!

I was forced to Google something earlier. It's like when you discover 'craft' coffee/beer/baked goods/whatever and then go back and try the mass market stuff. How did I ever live like this?

dunkin, sam adams, twinkies. go ahead, i'll wait.

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Sama is a much nicer guy, right?

He doesn't have to be because he doesn't make everything about himself at the companies he runs. You seem to have a pretty skewed idea of what a CEO is for.

Rules for thee not for me.

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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It hasn't happened in a while, I think this is the last major incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS_7007_incident

There have been numerous high profile incidents. I can't find a list, but BGP troubles took Facebook down for a while in 2021: https://engineering.fb.com/2021/10/05/networking-traffic/out...

I remember experiencing that outage, but the entire internet wasn't down. Sometimes some Chinese providers also do weird BGP stuff. BGP failures tend to be isolated to certain networks and not the entirity of the internet.

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Lots of jokes to be made, but we are setting ourselves up for some big rippling negative effects by so quickly building a reliance on providers like OpenAI. It took years before most companies who now use cloud providers to trust and be willing to bet their operations on them. That gave the cloud providers time to make their systems more robust, and to learn how to resolve issues quickly.

The point is, OpenAI spent a lot of money on training on all these copyrighted materials ordinary individuals/companies don't have access to, so replicating their effort would mean that you either 1) spend a ridiculous amount of money, 2) use Library Genesis (and still pay millions for GPU usage). So we have very little choice now. Open Source LLMs might be getting close to ChatGPT3 (opinions vary), but OpenAI is sti…

Kind of hilarious that the vast capabilities of an LLM are held back by copyright infringement.

Re: Major outages across ChatGPT and API

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Lots of jokes to be made, but we are setting ourselves up for some big rippling negative effects by so quickly building a reliance on providers like OpenAI. It took years before most companies who now use cloud providers to trust and be willing to bet their operations on them. That gave the cloud providers time to make their systems more robust, and to learn how to resolve issues quickly.

Just fail whale it and move on. The dissonance of most folks about how difficult it is to build a product at massive scale from scratch is immense.
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