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YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet

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Re: YouTube's 'War' on Adblockers Shows How Google Controls the Internet

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Post by nvy »

JAlexoid wrote: post #216
NemoNobody wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly why I refuse to give Google money voluntarily. All of my issues with YouTube they created intentionally. I just recently found a trick that had YouTube play in the background when I switched tabs and I recalled how life was before they created Red and it annoyed me all over again. Google is the devil of today's tech companies - most of what they do utilizes the outright theft of our data and what they…

So... Why do you use YouTube? Ask your creators to move to something like Patreon and you'll be free. You'll have to pay, but you will not be paying Google. Why do you personally think that you're entitled to consume content from YouTube?

This is going to sound harsh but maybe your videos just aren't worth that much monetarily?

You aren't entitled to a revenue purely because you upload some stuff onto someone else's computer.

If you produced content that had value worth paying for, then people would happily pay it. Perhaps if "getting screwed" upsets you so much, you should move to a paid, subscription-only model where your content will get 100% of the earnings (you feel) it merits.

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Post by carlosjobim »

falcolas wrote: post #154
Workaccount2 wrote: post #15

It strikes me as so odd that people readily pay for netflix, hulu, HBO etc, but when the idea of paying for youtube comes along, who directly profit shares with small creators you adore, people fall over backwards in disgust. I guess it has to do with initial value proposition. If you hand out lemonade for free, people are going to be pissed when you start charging a dollar, regardless of how good of a deal it is. Ev…

I've been paying for premium for years now - at least 6 years. I think the problem for me now, and why I'm canceling it shortly, is their push to raise the price by 40% in the coming months. The value for that new price is just not there. Some of that is due to my own changing habits, but even more of it comes from the content creators I follow in the gaming space being serially demonetized thanks to overly sensitive…

If you're a paying customer, no videos you watch will be de-monetized, as far as I know.

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Post by MisterKent »

JAlexoid wrote: post #213
hau wrote: post #182

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No hate, I simply can understand why paying for youtube feels different from paying for netflix. These are not some bulletprof arguments why nobody should pay money, it's just why I personally can feel it's different than paid content provider/producer. >You're basically restricted to the tastes of Netflix's buyers. Same as going to the cinema. I don't expect to see 5 minutes of figuring out camera settings and 2 hou…

You can feel whatever you want, your rationalizations are wrong though. And if someone uses false rationalizations to use ad-blockers, while claiming to support the content creators - I can only sense hypocrisy and entitlement.

It's a repeat of the long ago years when piracy and torrents were more popular. And people pretended that stealing movies was somehow ethical.

People will always justify a way to steal, when they can get away with it.

- they could simply not watch YouTube if the content is "99% not worth watching"

- they could pay to watch the content

- they could pay the creator on their patreons, and watch there

Be comfortable stealing and saying that it's stealing. Or pay with your ads / money. The hypocrisy is stealing and claiming that YouTube should somehow provide a service for free.

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Post by hightrix »

JAlexoid wrote: post #275
hightrix wrote: post #263

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You're absolutely right. I use SponsorBlock and uBlock Origin on Youtube and will continue to do so until there is a way to pay to 1) remove all ads and 2) remove all data collection by Google. Until then, I'll continue paying with my data while blocking ads. I will not pay for content twice or more.

So you want not data collection by Google on YouTube, that is Google. That literally means that unless Google spins off YouTube, you will screw the creators on YouTube.

No, it means that I'm willing to pay Google for YouTube without Google Ads with either my money or my data. I will not pay with both. It is that simple.

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Post by joecot »

dixie_land wrote: post #6

Ironically the first thing I see on this article about adblocker is a pop up

I have an ad blocker and it didn't stop me, but I got 2/3rds of the way down the page before it stopped me and said I had to join to read the rest. Basically the same sort of tactics that they're complaining about Youtube using.

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Post by effingwewt »

JAlexoid wrote: post #260
archontes wrote: post #81

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It's like using TiVo to skip commercials. I don't disagree with YT attempting to show me ads, but I have control of my computer, and if I can direct my computer not to show them to me, I will. I simply won't tolerate ads for any reason. I find the experience user hostile. So I'm always going to adopt some path that delivers me content without ads. And in choosing which path to adopt, I will always choose the least co…

So what you're saying is that I, someone that makes woodworking videos on YouTube, have to accept you getting my videos without compensation. Because I, not you, choose to host them on YouTube and give Google about half of revenue from ads. And now because I chose YouTube - you feel that it's OK for you to screw me... This is the level of entitlement I will never accept.

Wow and you speak of entitlement.

See- you made a choice, but we aren't allowed to.

Having an ad doesn't mean we have to watch it, same as with any radio or tv commercial it can be muted or the channel changed until it's over.

youtube wouldn't be the platform it is today if it hadn't begged us all to host videos in the past.

And since when does posting something online just entitle you to money?

People forget the internet existed before people got a share of ad revenue. It used to be for love of the game, now it's all just gimmie $.

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Post by kuchenbecker »

joecot wrote: post #285
dixie_land wrote: post #6

Ironically the first thing I see on this article about adblocker is a pop up

I have an ad blocker and it didn't stop me, but I got 2/3rds of the way down the page before it stopped me and said I had to join to read the rest. Basically the same sort of tactics that they're complaining about Youtube using.

I found that funny.

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Post by kuchenbecker »

JAlexoid wrote: post #253
logifail wrote: post #99

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> Of course this is also fantastically expensive to build and maintain "Fantastically expensive" is quite the claim. Google won't tell us, but how much do we think it actually costs to operate it?

YouTube gets 4.3Petabytes of data every day. To just receive, transmit and store that in AWS S3, just one day's worth of data is - 317 thousand dollars. That's literally doing nothing other than transmission and storage. Just that.

That's a surprisingly small amount, it would mean that a year of video is only 1.5 EiB. IIRC google has like hundreds of EiB in storage.

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Post by joak »

Hey why everyone thinks it's legitimate to pay for content?

So if you are poor, access to content should be denied to you?

Most of the people on the internet are poor accessing youtube with $40 smartphones.

They cannot pay premium, why send them ads? What's the point? Make them waste their precious time and bandwidth?

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