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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Angostura »

l5870uoo9y wrote: post #154
mfiguiere wrote: post #89

Complete list of new features in macOS Sonoma: https://www.apple.com/macos/sonoma/pdf/macOS_All_New_Feature...

I was just about to say that there isn't any changes worthwhile in this release and that Apple employees x people in the marketing sub department that takes care of the yearly releases and they will – regardless of anything else – do the yearly release fanfare with all the bells and whistles :-).

Well, I'm very much enjoying Gaming Mode which has certtainly bumped up my FPS in various games

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by beowulfey »

astrange wrote: post #213
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Once again a good time to remember that there were multiple perfectly good package managers available when Homebrew was invented, they were more future-proof (by eg not putting files in /usr/local), and everyone only switched to it because for some reason Ruby programmers wanted all of their tools to be written in Ruby (and possibly by people with waxed mustaches.)

It works well now though—do you prefer any of the other package managers still?

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Fnoord »

climb_stealth wrote: post #242
cglong wrote: post #188

So it goes... Warning: You are using macOS 11. We (and Apple) do not provide support for this old version. It is expected behaviour that some formulae will fail to build in this old version. It is expected behaviour that Homebrew will be buggy and slow. Do not create any issues about this on Homebrew's GitHub repositories. Do not create any issues even if you think this message is unrelated. Any opened issues will be…

Oh oh, it's getting closer. Currently on MacOS 12 with my trusted 2015 Macbook Pro. It still goes strong, but looks like the next major release may see the end of homebrew for this one. There's really no issue with this computer other than 16gb of RAM being a bit tight when every modern app is using Electron. Oh well, see how we go.

(Message also for your parent) Last week, I saw the writing on the wall. I installed OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher on two MBPs from 2015, updating 12.7 to 13.6. It is a MBP 13" 2015 (early 2016 variant) and a MBP 15" 2015 (late 2015?). Works very well but you need to follow the guide. Both machines are still working well, 'cept for the battery (already replaced on the 13"). Esp the 15" is still in good condition, my wife happily uses it and insists on needing a 15". So a replacement would be expensive.

[1] https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/INSTALLER...

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by johnwalkr »

movedx wrote: post #248
hatuthecat wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was the release that got me to migrate from 1P to Keychain. Keychain finally has enough features and the 1P’s browser extension has been finicky for me and the UX of 1P8’s desktop app feels like a considerable downgrade from 7.

I can't use Keychain on Windows, I assume?

As others said, you can in chrome, but it's not as smooth as in iOS and MacOS as it only works in Chrome, and doesn't work in apps (like steam or other game launchers).

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by akerl_ »

pedalpete wrote: post #263
brandall10 wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says the in the "About This Mac" Apple menu item. In this case, it will be Sonoma 14.0. Historically versioning is weird due to the integration of NextSTEP after Job's return to the company. First it was versioned up to 9, then the NextSTEP integration was 10, then subsequent major releases were minor bumps (ie 10.1, 10.2) as OSX was a brand unto itself until 11 which rebranded to MacOS and full versions were used…

I went to the wikipedia page, which is kinda the point. No other OS requires you too look it up. Even WatchOS and iOS directly use version numbers. Saying it's due to NextStep integration sounds like a strange defense of this naming strategy (if that was your intention). They have version numbers, but they decide to use the "code name" as a product name.

MacOS versions have a number, which counts up, the same as iOS and WatchOS. "Sonoma" is a cutesy name for "MacOS 14", the same way that "Jammy Jellyfish" is the cutesy name for Ubuntu 22.04.

The version number is shown in the About This Mac page, which is the top menu item in the Apple menu at all times.

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Post by brazzledazzle »

pedalpete wrote: post #249

Does anyone else have no idea what macOS version is which? Which came first? Is there some hidden naming protocol that I just don't grasp? I've only started using a mac part-time while I've been developing an iOS app over the past few weeks, and I keep seeing different names for the OS version. I have no idea what version I'm on, or if Big Sur came before Sierra, or what. I know I could look it up, but it seems that…

I think you have to either maintain a map between names and version numbers in your head or dispense with the names entirely.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by jweir »

felixfbecker wrote: post #225
hatuthecat wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was the release that got me to migrate from 1P to Keychain. Keychain finally has enough features and the 1P’s browser extension has been finicky for me and the UX of 1P8’s desktop app feels like a considerable downgrade from 7.

Can Keychain store anything that's not passwords yet? I like using 1Passwords for all sorts of stuff like SSN, drivers license, passport details, membership details, SSH keys etc

Yes, you can create a "New Secure Note Item"

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by aeyes »

chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all.

Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by brazzledazzle »

rconti wrote: post #266
pedalpete wrote: post #249

Does anyone else have no idea what macOS version is which? Which came first? Is there some hidden naming protocol that I just don't grasp? I've only started using a mac part-time while I've been developing an iOS app over the past few weeks, and I keep seeing different names for the OS version. I have no idea what version I'm on, or if Big Sur came before Sierra, or what. I know I could look it up, but it seems that…

No, I also have no clue, but it's no more annoying than keeping track of which Ubuntu version is called something inane like Jaunty Jackalope.

At least Ubuntu has an LTS version you can use to ignore the names for a few years.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by vaughan »

chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

Something cool however is you can actually build the open-source WebKit browser engine yourself and make closed-source Safari use your locally built version.
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