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Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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A fix for some venues: only sell tickets at the door. Scalpers will have to work for it the old fashioned way then. This, of course, obviates the need for Ticketmaster (which needs to die in a fire). Realistically, Ticketmaster has a monopoly because they merged with the biggest artist management company, so if you want big artists you have to contract with them. The situation will not improve until antitrust enforce…

Or tie each ticket to a name and check ID?

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Why do the organizations putting on events like these leave so much money on the table? Why don't they just charge the market-clearing price themselves, leaving no room for scalpers to make any profit?

I was thinking about this recently, and came up with two possible reasons: 1. The enjoyment of attendees can be partly dependent on the enthusiasm of other attendees. Consider the extremes: an audience entirely comprised of people who hardly know the artist, but can afford it Vs an audience comprised of only die-hard fans, irrespective of their ability to afford a ticket. The first has a flat atmosphere, the second,…

Guess if you don't use a streaming music service you're SOL seeing an artist you look. This is such a Hacker News suggestion.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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post #268

A fix for some venues: only sell tickets at the door. Scalpers will have to work for it the old fashioned way then. This, of course, obviates the need for Ticketmaster (which needs to die in a fire). Realistically, Ticketmaster has a monopoly because they merged with the biggest artist management company, so if you want big artists you have to contract with them. The situation will not improve until antitrust enforce…

Or tie each ticket to a name and check ID?

I went to a show from a big DJ at a small venue like this once. Had to buy in person with an ID and they checked IDs at the door. I think it works well at small venues but can’t see this scaling up to arenas and stadiums. The large venues already struggle getting people through the door fast enough.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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IMO, Comic Con has done a pretty fine job at eliminating scalpers. They do this in a few ways: - Random selection over an hour at ticket sale time that is unique per device, with some 'are you human' checks along the way to make it more difficult to bot. - Requiring physical delivery of the badge with a maximum number per address, or government issued ID to pick it up in person. - Random ID checks during the con. - T…

> So even if you bought it from a scalper, you would now have the code for next year's presale. i would imagine a scalper would record the code from the badge as well, before giving it to you. So this means they're going to be able to buy just as well, and may be invalidate the code before you get to use it!

Not one measure is perfect, but together they do provide many layers of nuisance to deter scalpers.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Simple fix then, ban reselling. The artist and TM still get the revenue, but the scalper gets inventory they can't move. What about the fans? Similar to airlines, let people buy standby tickets, at the event, check attendance, if there is space let the stand bys in. TM still gets paid twice, scalper has garbage, and fans get in. What about fans who can't go? Buy the insurance at checkout, if you can't go the insuranc…

Instead of banning resale, why not just allow resale at face value? The French open(tennis) does this and makes it possible to still get tickets at a reasonable price up until the day of the event.

Because you don't handle the money. If A shows up to the concert with tickets originally purchased by B, you have no idea how much A paid.

Banning resale is not about selling per se but banning the changing of ownership. The person who paid is verified to be the one attending.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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That would just return them to the status quo ante where scalpers sell through third parties.

If you tied tickets to names and required ID at the venue (allowing refunds in case you couldn't make it), this wouldn't work and scalping would basically end overnight. The fact that neither Ticketmaster nor the performers nor the venues has ever taken this simple step is the proof that it's not in their interest to do so. Note that events where the promoters are actually interested in having people show up instead…

I agree, but Devil's advocate, consider

1) when buying for young kids. Minors don't always have ID and are rarely expected to have them in public.

2) when you buy for a group. You may not have everyone's ID on hand at once, and it makes it harder for honest friends to get tickets together. You don't need to sit together at PAX.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would just return them to the status quo ante where scalpers sell through third parties.

If you tied tickets to names and required ID at the venue (allowing refunds in case you couldn't make it), this wouldn't work and scalping would basically end overnight. The fact that neither Ticketmaster nor the performers nor the venues has ever taken this simple step is the proof that it's not in their interest to do so. Note that events where the promoters are actually interested in having people show up instead…

If you immutably tied tickets to names, everyone's name would have to be verified to be Mr. Ticket Master, grand scalper.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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post #268

A fix for some venues: only sell tickets at the door. Scalpers will have to work for it the old fashioned way then. This, of course, obviates the need for Ticketmaster (which needs to die in a fire). Realistically, Ticketmaster has a monopoly because they merged with the biggest artist management company, so if you want big artists you have to contract with them. The situation will not improve until antitrust enforce…

Would we go back to the days where some people camp out for days to get in first? I wonder how much worse it'd be in times where everyone is connected and you can google all the details and timings needed.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Why is it that rich people are solemnly staring in general? You'd think they'd be whooping it up on account of being made.

Rich people involved in business or politics have reputation risk and can’t be seen “letting loose”. See the Dean Scream.

Meanwhile, Steve Ballmer:

"Developers, developers, developers, developers. Developers, developers, developers, developers!!! Yes!!!"

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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The article had some interesting info, but didn't answer the key question that I still don't understand: how to these professional scalpers get multiple credit card accounts? Don't you need unique credit cards for each fake ticketmaster account?
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