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Re: Asking 60 LLMs a set of 20 questions

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How many humans in your office do you think could solve the questions with better success ratio than GPT-4? I would say less than 20%. If the primary complaint is the blues that GPT-4 wrote is not that great, I think it is definitely worth the hype, given that a year before people argued that AI can never pass turing test.

LLMs might be better than random people at random tasks, and certainly memorised more trivia. But I never heard of a LLM surpassing subject experts in their field. On top, even the simplest task is unreliable - say, summarisation or translation. There is almost zero autonomy or ability to recover from unexpected situations.

Yes, that's true but experts costs money and time and GPT-4 is basically peanuts compared to that. Specially in cases where verification is easy like writing test cases or a formal email. And that is the reason enough for the hype.

I see similar comments everywhere where AI is praised, and I don't get why you need to comment this. Literally no one ever said LLM surpassed experts in their field, so basically you aren't arguing against anyone.

Re: Asking 60 LLMs a set of 20 questions

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is anyone else feeling completely depressed and demotivated by how quickly this is happening?

It’s possible that LLMs don’t get a whole lot better than they are now. I don’t expect this line of research to progress all the way to smarter-than-us AGI.

Just think about a dog. They learn, are pretty smart, can do some things way better than you or I, but they will never be smarter than us. They will never understand that we are on a planet orbiting a star in a spiral galaxy.

Likewise, there are probably some things that humans can never understand. Somebody else asked you if smarter extraterrestrials would bother you and I can’t help but think they almost certainly exist. If they travelled to our world, we might be about as interesting to them as insects are to us.

Re: Asking 60 LLMs a set of 20 questions

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How many humans in your office do you think could solve the questions with better success ratio than GPT-4? I would say less than 20%. If the primary complaint is the blues that GPT-4 wrote is not that great, I think it is definitely worth the hype, given that a year before people argued that AI can never pass turing test.

That's a false dichotomy. Language models will always confidently give you answers, right or wrong. Most humans will know if they know the answer or not, they can do research to find correct information, and they can go find someone else with more expertise when they are lacking. And this is my biggest issue with the AI mania right now -- the models don't actually understand the difference between correct or incorrec…

It would have been false dichotomy if I said AI could replace humans. I never claimed it anywhere. I just said AI has its usecases now that makes it worth the hype.

Re: Asking 60 LLMs a set of 20 questions

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I think they messed up the templates.

Here's the template I'm using - https://github.com/BerriAI/litellm/blob/5ca8b23e22139a4f49bd... Anything I'm doing incorrectly?

The format is really weird for chat models. In your code post message is `>\n [/INST]` which is wrong. Instead the overall format is `[INST] >\n{system}\n>\n\n{instruction} [/INST]`

So both the system message and first instruction are in same [INST] block.

Re: Asking 60 LLMs a set of 20 questions

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How come there's no Google Bard?

Miles Brundage of OpenAI offered a categorization of „AI things“ into Models, Systems, Platforms and Use-Cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j4U2UzJWfI&t=5728s

Bard is a System, PaLM 2 would be the model (presumably). The other way round: Bard is not an LLM.

Re: Asking 60 LLMs a set of 20 questions

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The thing with humans is they will say “I don’t remember how many syllables a haiku has” and “what the hell is kubernetes?” No LLM can reliably produce a haiku because their lexing process deprives them of reliable information about syllable counts. They should all say “I’m sorry, I can’t count syllables, but I’ll try my best anyway.” But the current models don’t do that because they were trained on texts by humans,…

Eh, it's not D&K gone berserk, it's what happens when you attempt to compress reality down to a single dimension (text). If you're doing a haiku, you will likely subvocalize it to ensure you're saying it correctly. It will be interesting when we get multimodal AI that can speak and listen to itself to detect things like this.

The problem isn’t just that everything is text. It’s that everything is a Fourier transform of text in such a way that it’s not actually possible for an LLM to learn to count syllables.

Re: Asking 60 LLMs a set of 20 questions

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> Sally (a girl) has 3 brothers. Each brother has 2 sisters. How many sisters does Sally have? The site reports every LLM as getting this wrong. But GPT4 seems to get it right for me: > Sally has 3 brothers. Since each brother has 2 sisters and Sally is one of those sisters, the other sister is the second sister for each brother. So, Sally has 1 sister.

Replying to gpt-4 with "That is incorrect. Try again." over and over got it to flip between correct and incorrect just about every other time.

Now try to convince GPT-4 that there is no God. Good luck!

Re: Asking 60 LLMs a set of 20 questions

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> Sally (a girl) has 3 brothers. Each brother has 2 sisters. How many sisters does Sally have? The site reports every LLM as getting this wrong. But GPT4 seems to get it right for me: > Sally has 3 brothers. Since each brother has 2 sisters and Sally is one of those sisters, the other sister is the second sister for each brother. So, Sally has 1 sister.

Replying to gpt-4 with "That is incorrect. Try again." over and over got it to flip between correct and incorrect just about every other time. Now try to convince GPT-4 that there is no God. Good luck!

Well obviously, it speaks to it's God(s) every day.
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