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Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by threeseed »

factorialboy wrote: post #121
daft_pink wrote: post #13

I think it's unfair to compare Facebook actively screwing us to Apple not adopting your proposed metric on their product and passively allowing a very popular app in their app store. Not a huge fan of Apple, but they aren't Facebook.

Incorrect. Apple actively screws us. Just a couple of years ago, launching apps became incredibly slow for some time. Diagnosis: Apple's telemetry web service was having hiccups: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-apps-not-opening-or...

That wasn't a telemetry service.

It was the service that validates the application certificates which is fundamental to the security of the platform.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by threeseed »

factorialboy wrote: post #127
vore wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be hard pressed to call a transient operational issue of their service "actively screwing" you.

You missed the point. Apple tracks every app launch. And reports it to an external server. Not localized. Not anonymized.

It can't be done locally since Apple needs the ability to revoke certificates at will.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by riversflow »

amelius wrote: post #214
ryandrake wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What "free stuff" is OP getting from Target and CVS in exchange for the data they are collecting and sharing? Nothing. We're already not getting free stuff and people still aren't fed up.

The free stuff is the website that shows the ad, at least that's what they want you to believe. But ... it's not really free since the ad will just make products more expensive, since now you also pay for the adtech that's involved (besides paying with your personal data).

If what you describe were economic reality, ads wouldn’t be a thing. The reality is that ads allow a vendor to reach significantly more customers, paying for the ads.

You can see this with the rise of ultra specialty online stores we’ve seen in the last decade thank to targeted advertising.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by barrysteve »

tomcar288 wrote: post #142
goalieca wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple does not have a tracking pixel on half the popular web. Apple's main source of income is through luxury hardware and subscription services. Facebook sells your information and attention to willing buyers.

I don't understand why people are so against Advertisers targetting people based on their data? what are people so afraid of? the way i see it, the worst case scenario is you get an Ad for something you might actually like...

I mean, come on. WW2 and all that.

What's the worst that could happen... sheesh why don't we not find out for a change.

Watch the 10hr long interview documentary called Shoah and listen to how trains, buildings and institutions were used to do 'the deed'.

It was impossible to tell what was going to happen ahead of time for the victims, they assumed they were heading to a labour camp and being assigned a block of soap and sent to the showers was a good thing...

Why does this even need to be said! Do we not know our dark european history?

Conserving the known good we have, is not an 'immediate fail', as many futurists would indulge in saying...

At least you know now where you can discover one reason (of many) as to why some people are wary of collective control.

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Post by querulous »

kaba0 wrote: post #250
MikusR wrote: post #226

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Even settings app on iphones has adds.

This is the bullshit I'm talking about in another thread. No it doesn't. Telling you about icloud which is like an inherent feature and partially the reason some people buy their phones is absolutely in no way comparable to actual ads. Do you know what has ads in settings? Xiaomi. A relative bought one and I helped him set it up, and you literally had to see an ad to listen to your ringtone!!!

it also advertises news, music and apple tv (and probably all their services, those are just the ones i've noticed)

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Post by [deleted] »

goalieca wrote: post #71
daft_pink wrote: post #13

I think it's unfair to compare Facebook actively screwing us to Apple not adopting your proposed metric on their product and passively allowing a very popular app in their app store. Not a huge fan of Apple, but they aren't Facebook.

Apple does not have a tracking pixel on half the popular web. Apple's main source of income is through luxury hardware and subscription services. Facebook sells your information and attention to willing buyers.

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by nicce »

threeseed wrote: post #280
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #161

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I don't own an apple device now but why does app store have ads ? After paying upwards of $1000+ on a iPhone, why can't you expect an ad free experience on a first party app store?

> why does app store have ads Because it's useful. It helps users discover apps that the developer believes is relevant to that keyword. I can't think of a better mechanism for doing this without an auction style system.

You could just provide better search interface instead. But that does not bring money.

Or show a button to open separate window which shows related apps.

But instead, we always want to bring everything instantly under our attention [in same screen, close to the line of sight].

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Post by orf »

toastal wrote: post #223
orf wrote: post #176

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It’s telling that you think 98% of users wouldn’t do that. It’s 99.9999% of android users my friend.

Good to know that extra 1.9999% was worth a comment. It’s pretty similar to the number of desktop Linux users even (edit: which seem to be over 3% now actually, great).

1.9999% of android users would form the 19th largest country in the world by population. It’s absolutely worth clarifying a difference of that scale when you’re talking about something niche.

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Post by amelius »

riversflow wrote: post #283
amelius wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The free stuff is the website that shows the ad, at least that's what they want you to believe. But ... it's not really free since the ad will just make products more expensive, since now you also pay for the adtech that's involved (besides paying with your personal data).

If what you describe were economic reality, ads wouldn’t be a thing. The reality is that ads allow a vendor to reach significantly more customers, paying for the ads. You can see this with the rise of ultra specialty online stores we’ve seen in the last decade thank to targeted advertising.

I don't see the logical connection between my comment and yours.

Yes, ads make people buy more stuff.

Is that a good thing? My comment doesn't say anything about that.

But anyway, my guess is no, because it leads to overconsumption, and exhaustion of natural resources.

Also:

> 96% of US users opted out of IDFA sharing

Meaning that users really do not want to be tracked.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by toastal »

orf wrote: post #288
toastal wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good to know that extra 1.9999% was worth a comment. It’s pretty similar to the number of desktop Linux users even (edit: which seem to be over 3% now actually, great).

1.9999% of android users would form the 19th largest country in the world by population. It’s absolutely worth clarifying a difference of that scale when you’re talking about something niche.

And I want to be a citizen of that country. The Indian custom ROM hackers can be the ruling class with the amount of CPU it takes to build Android & their good will to release it for us.
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