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Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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I got a Windows Notification the other day while playing a game telling me about a "Grand prize giveaway" Nope, not malware. Just Windows. https://i.imgur.com/xVstzqc.png https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoft/comments/15u6gx8/windows_...

I have completely turned off notifications in Windows because I think they're worthless and recently Windows itself has started ignoring that setting and sending me ads through notifications.

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Somewhere in the last decade, Microsoft realized that it would be better for them to give away free upgrades to Windows for existing licensed customers so that they would have an larger pool of users that they could upsell services to and target with ads. At this point, I'd like to return to the days of paying $129 for a Windows upgrade if it meant ripping all this junk out of my OS. Windows 11 feels pretty snappy to…

> At this point, I'd like to return to the days of paying $129 for a Windows upgrade if it meant ripping all this junk out of my OS.

Once this software gets written and demonstrably makes money, it will never get un-written. The more likely outcome is that if Microsoft thinks you (the market) are willing to go back to paying $129 for Windows, then you will pay $129 AND they keep the notifications, junkware and malware.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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I got a Windows Notification the other day while playing a game telling me about a "Grand prize giveaway" Nope, not malware. Just Windows. https://i.imgur.com/xVstzqc.png https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoft/comments/15u6gx8/windows_...

I have completely turned off notifications in Windows because I think they're worthless and recently Windows itself has started ignoring that setting and sending me ads through notifications.

Turn off notifications for the Suggested app. It's the bullshit spout.

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I paid for a product and I expect that product to at least not intentionally restrict use on proton. If you intentionally restrict its use on whatever platform i see fit then you are getting a negative review. The wine folks and valve have put serious effort into patching your product to work on linux, but when you actively undermine their effort and intentionally limit its use - either by banning players on linux or…

The problem is that the more people buy Steam Decks, the less understanding the average Linux gamer will be of bugs. For every hardcore Linux gamer who would leave a negative review on a game because it's not available on their platform, there will be several regular gamers who would leave a negative review because it doesn't work well on the Steam Deck. Enabling Linux support without actually working at supporting i…

>the less understanding the average Linux gamer will be of bugs.

Linux gamers have NEVER been tolerant of bugs. They are the exact people who make bug reports to niche indie developers on an ultra specific, custom configured system that some small part of the game doesn't work, and get extremely entitled and pissed when the dev says "I literally can't afford to take the time to fix that, even if I knew what the hell in your system is borked".

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Leaving a negative review of the product because it doesn't work where you want it to work is absolutely not "toxic fanboy" behavior, its called being an advocate for your own interests. As the person paying up to 70$ for the game, consumers deserve to have their voices heard. Besides, is anyone actually worried about the rampant "toxicity" in the reviews section on a games steam page? Seems a bit pearl clutch-y.

Um... "review bombing" is a thing that is often talked about. So... yes people are worried about it... You knew what the game did and did not support when you bough it. If you choose to do something outside of what it says, it's your problem not theirs.

And review bombing is almost always a legitimate outcry by fans that have very little leverage against an industry riddled with anti-consumer practices. The only people that are worried about review bombing should be the creators of the games, and they should do their best to avoid making decisions that force the fan base to resort to tanking their game's score.

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Microsoft really needs to take a real hard look at Windows and figure out what its place is in the world. I know very few people outside of gamers that have a full computer outside of one given for work. This is one of the many reasons that my windows computer is solely for gaming (and I use a debloated Windows 10 LTS install) and never has anything sensitive on it. Any general computing tasks happen on my Mac. I wou…

> Microsoft really needs to take a real hard look at Windows and figure out what its place is in the world. I wish it would just quietly die in a corner. As a developer Windows has brought us such highlights as: * backslash instead of forward slash * magic paths with drive letters, spaces, and tildas (for you kids, that 8.3 DOS compatible path names) * its own custom C/C++ project format rather than make, that accide…

And yet, with all that supposedly terrible cruft, it's still a more stable and reliable interface to program against than pretty much anything in Linux world.

The best Linux api is Win32.

Oh, and that also means if you wrote Windows API compliant code in 1998, it still works today.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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post #104

I want everyone here to completely get over the fantasy fairytale idea that Microsoft can be moved on this by typical "consumer feedback" types of responses. We've been here too long, and we know what Microsoft is and what they do. Switch operating systems, or push for EXTERNAL changes in law and policy. The other stuff is futile .

This toxic shit is intentional, and the people who direct the business are very pleased with the money they are making. This will not change without force of law. The market is getting exactly what it wants.

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> Apple isn't too annoying I find Apple to be too annoying for my tastes. Less annoying than Microsoft, but that doesn't mean much.

It's that vs the annoyance of using Linux. Which is worse? I've been there, diagnosing bluetooth and wifi issues, dealing with free vs non-free drivers, finding out Netflix won't run in 1080p/4K, going down the Flash rabbit hole back then, dealing with sleep issues, having sound not work, jumping ship to whatever DE is best supported, messing with WINE for the plethora of non-Linux-supported apps, it never ends. A "h…

As a Linux user, everything does tend to work out of the box for me, and Linux is far less annoying to me than Apple's stuff. YMMV, of course.

I'm thinking that a lot of this depends on what you're doing with your machines. Linux isn't ideal for certain things (that happen to be things that don't matter to me), for certain. Just as other OSes aren't ideal for other things. Your experience, I suspect, largely depends on what your use case is.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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People comparing this to Google are missing the point. Google doesn't put popup on Microsoft websites in Chrome to switch to Google equivalent, not even on Office online or other places where Microsoft may be dominant. Chrome acts as a platform and doesn't add shady stuff or popups to any websites you view, which is what is expected of a platform. Microsoft also put things into MSOffice which work better on Windows (…

Google and Apple do things similar on their devices.

I get nagged to backup my Android phone. It's a thinly-veiled upsell to their Google Drive product. There is no way to tell it to STOP ASKING ME. I have an alternative backup system that I use. I will never pay for Google Drive.

The same is true for the iPhone. If you forget to turn off the Apple iCloud stuff on your phone, you'll hit the free limit at some point, then get an endless amount of nagging to BUY THE ICLOUD UPGRADE.

How is this not any different than a popup in Windows nagging me to switch to Edge? Or to buy O365?

The worst part is that none of this stuff have a permanent opt-out. Everyone has adopted the dark pattern of only providing Yes or Remind Me Later as options. It's just endless harassment from these large, bloated companies seeking more rent, rather than actually doing any substantial innovation.

Re: Microsoft is using malware-like pop-ups in Win11 to get people to ditch Chrome

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When I was in 8th grade, one of my teachers was out sick, and the principal took over the class for the day. He talked about frames of reference. To illustrate the point, he asked if we had seen the movie, E.T. Of course, we all had. It was the Star Wars-level blockbuster of the summer of 1982. He asked if we remembered the bus scene. None of us could. "You know, 'Uranus?'" Oh, right. Yes, we all remembered that line…

> It's already been proven several times over that we cannot influence this situation. I have a few points against this. First is that it is not that important if we can revert M$ (yes, sorry, I'll refer to them this way for this comment) behavior, the most important is that we should have alternatives . For that we must push hardware and software vendors to support other OS's, specially Linux. Second is that, by mak…

Very true. Go shadow a "normal" user of a web browser without adblocking, and you'll see they spend so much time dismissing popup after popup after popup. It's totally normal to them and doesn't even irritate them. The act of finding and tapping the tiny "X" is practically automatic and second nature.

Same for people who don't curate their phone notifications. I was standing in line at a fast food restaurant and had a good look at some guy's phone he left unlocked on one of the tables. It was just notification after notification. Ding, buzz, ding, ding, buzz, ding-ding, ding-ding, buzz-buzz, ding, ding. The top notification area had something displaying there 100% of the time. How can people even live like that?

Another example. My elderly parents still watch cable TV. When I visit them, I can't even bear the loud and constant ads, but it doesn't even phase them--they don't even notice them. My brain is about to explode after watching an hour long show.

Normal people don't even know of a world without being constantly bombarded with interruptions and messages.

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