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Re: New images and video confirm Austin-made Tesla model Y has cracked front casting

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Post by maffydub »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #257
ffhhttt wrote: post #248

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I think the context should be pretty obvious to most people in the engineering field. > why not just provide the context? Because lawyers might find ways to dismiss/challenge it?

in the example given, the lawyers finding ways to dismiss/challenge it would be a good thing, because the perpetrators in question are trying to patent something obvious, which society has decided we don't want them doing so, the problem spurring such a policy is that they don't want to be implicated on the record in doing bad things - they want to get away with what society doesn't want them to get away with that me…

In the actual example, I don't think the engineers were trying to patent something obvious - it's just not unusual for engineers to casually throw around the word "obvious" for things that are not, and it's unwise to have that written down.

(I was the person who provided the ancedote.)

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Post by nottorp »

morsch wrote: post #145
nottorp wrote: post #48

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Doesn't that mean it's not cost effective to repair in case of accidents? Small bump - got to dismantle the whole car and replace half of it.

So it's cheaper to build and they get to sell more cars?

I don't see why I should care about that as a potential car buyer.

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Post by lukeholder »

taftster wrote: post #274
res0nat0r wrote: post #209

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Teslas are being called MAGAmobiles now that Musk bought Twitter and has shown his love for rightwing disinformation and keeps replying to and platforming alt-right racists and other neo-nazi adjacent folks.

I have this theory that Musk is just playing a long con and deep fake on all of us. He wasn't selling his cars to the likes of MAGA, so he jumped ship and switched sides to make Teslas look cool to the red consumers. The timing of the Cybertruck somewhat coincides with this flip. So now, Teslas are cool according to those right fringe folks. Of course, the blue side consumers are not super excited about Tesla anymore…

Nah most of the world doesn’t see themselves as red or blue and just wants an electric car. People who see everything through the lens of a party and a 2 party system are suckers.

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Post by Gibbon1 »

scoofy wrote: post #239
thejazzman wrote: post #181

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My 2015's battery "died" the day after the warranty was up. $15k for a refurbished battery from another old broken car. Once fixed, the cars resell value is at about $20k. And they took my battery back to sell to someone else for $15k. Definitely feel like a HUGE sucker for supporting them. This thing was $101k new.

I had a few very smart friends who were very successful in business at a young age. They all sort of celebrated having made it by buying high-end Audi’s when they were the hot luxury cars in the mid-2000’s. The cars weren’t very reliable (even dumb shit like the electric windows would break) and the repairs were notably more expensive than they should have been. One of them explained that he finally understood that s…

I remember 7-8 years ago taking a trip down HWY35, then dropped down into Portola Valley. 5-10M dollar houses. Lot of them had a Prius sitting in the driveway next way more expensive cars.

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Post by zamalek »

Reubachi wrote: post #228
zamalek wrote: post #159

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The Mach E has a mere 40mi less range (290mi) and slightly better performance than the Model Y. They are also adding support for NACS (Tesla charger port) at some point soon. That's the only comparable EV that I know of at the price point, but there's definitely more.

Ford can't sell Mach Es to save their life, though, because they don't have ludicrous mode/800 HP/name appeal. Massive flop from Ford (and I say that as the biggest ford fanboy in this thread.) You and I know that the ford is made much better for "less", for obvious reasons But ask yourself, who is going to buy a heavy electric SUV from Ford? -a typical mustang GT buyer? No way. -a person who currently has a model S/…

You missed the "I want a get from A to B SUV, without Tesla" - which is squarely me. The type of shit in the article, right to repair, and general Elon bullshit has me very uninterested in Tesla.

> -a new EV buyer? Too expensive and "bland". Does all EV things "middle".

It is actually SUV-sized (unlike the likes of the Kona, which you may be comparing it to - it is only shaped like an SUV). It can be cheaper than the Model Y, depending on the sku - and those two are the only budget EV SUVs that I am aware of (the E-Tron and iX are significantly more expensive).

Bland? Who cares. There are people who only care about the utility that a vehicle has to offer.

It is servicing an area of the market that only has one other deeply incompetent (as-per the article) competitor.

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Post by Macha »

aequitas wrote: post #202
alamortsubite wrote: post #165

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Some dealers offer third-party accessories as options on new cars. I had a car whose aftermarket sunroof was installed by the dealer when it was bought by the original owner. Fortunately, mine never leaked, but I'm not sure the US Lemon Laws would have covered it if it had.

When buying in the EU (at least where I'm from) the contract is between the consumer and the seller. So if something is wrong the seller can't shift blame to the manufacturer and have me have to deal with them. How they handle the issue with the manufacturer is their problem. If they can't offer a repair or replacement they need to refund. Manufacturers can offer additional warranty on top of the legally required war…

Companies do sometimes make it difficult in a way I hope more of them get slapped one. The largest electronics retailer in my country will have their front line staff try their hardest to deflect you to the manufacturer warranty, their online return form will make you enter a manufacturer ticket number as a mandatory field, so to actually get that honoured, your best bet is usually to go in store and escalate to a manager.

Normally I try to support stores over Amazon in a "use it or lose it" sense but that particular retailer is the exception.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

misiti3780 wrote: post #273
manuelabeledo wrote: post #263

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The article references a study by J.D. Power, which runs every year or so. Hardly newsworthy. > If Tesla cars were such POS, they wouldnt be growing 50% Q/o/Q. They have the most popular selling cars in multiple countries (Model Y). What kind of argument is this? Shake Shack is one of the fastest growing fast food chains, yet they sell crappy, unhealthy food. Xiaomi arguably makes phones that aren't as good as Samsun…

Shake Shack serves delicious food. No one with a reasonable understanding would visit expecting healthy food. Before criticizing them, try launching a burger joint in the highly competitive US market of 2023 and see if you can achieve the same growth as Shake Shack. It's a bit harder than creating a CRUD app.

> Shake Shack serves delicious food.

See, you lost me there already.

Point is, even if you like it, it is still crappy food. It is just another example of how a product that is objectively bad for its customers, can succeed in the market.

Tesla quality control is quantitatively worse than of more traditional brands like Honda. Finishes in Tesla cars are also quite a bit worse than other cars in the same category.

I’m glad that you are enjoying your Tesla, but reality is what it is.

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Post by stef25 »

coolspot wrote: post #214
stef25 wrote: post #154

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Former colleague of mine was Tesla from day 1. Started an online journal of the life of his car. It's stuff like "well this car is great but this year I spent a huge amount of money because A, B, C broke and wasn't covered under warranty". As time goes on the journal just gets worse & worse. Can't help but laugh and be reminded by the family guy episode where they see a Tesla driving itself while the driver's busy su…

> family guy episode where they see a Tesla driving itself while the driver's busy sucking his own dick Wasn’t that a South Park episode about Priuses? Edit: it was about Segway - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Entity_(South_Park)

Actually it was Paradise PD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOuD3KJ-a7w

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Post by misiti3780 »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #287
misiti3780 wrote: post #273

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Shake Shack serves delicious food. No one with a reasonable understanding would visit expecting healthy food. Before criticizing them, try launching a burger joint in the highly competitive US market of 2023 and see if you can achieve the same growth as Shake Shack. It's a bit harder than creating a CRUD app.

> Shake Shack serves delicious food. See, you lost me there already. Point is, even if you like it, it is still crappy food. It is just another example of how a product that is objectively bad for its customers, can succeed in the market. Tesla quality control is quantitatively worse than of more traditional brands like Honda. Finishes in Tesla cars are also quite a bit worse than other cars in the same category. I’m…

comparing tesla to shake shack (even via growth) is not a good comparison because taste is 100% subjective, build quality is not subjective.

im not saying that tesla doesnt have some issues with quality control, but most people get nice cars that work fine and look fine. you only hear about the outliers .

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Post by Corrado »

philistine wrote: post #193
toddmorey wrote: post #73

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I’m shopping for anything EV other than a Tesla now. There are many options now, but Tesla is still way ahead with the power train. Most competitors aren’t at the same place on range & performance yet. It’s an amazing power train glued inside a 90s-era Oldsmobile.

I’m very hopeful that in five years time, Tesla has been so thoroughly lapped by the rest of the car industry that they have to start closing some of their gigafactories. I’d bet good money on that.

I love my Tesla and I too hope that other automakers get better at producing EVs. Competition is great and the whole world wins when everyone gets better. I'm looking forward to being able to get an electric Audi, Volvo, VW, etc. and be confident that the software, updates, charging infrastructure, etc. is be better than Tesla's system. That day is not today, but I hope it's soon.
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