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Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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https://youtu.be/52KR_eC8UFE I wonder which schools had the children watch this after the pledge of allegiance.

That can't have been a thing?

There is a non zero chance this was played in a school… If it happened during first period, then, well…

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Your car is filmed and recognized by other teslas.

That's why I also rotate license plates and repaint my car twice a year.

I also change my facial hair style 4 times a year. Will start getting plastic surgery twice a year starting next year.

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Just like we used to have cable box guys willing to sell you an unlocked box for premium channels, we are eventually going to have feature unlock guys that you go do and for a small fee perform some slightly more technical hack to enable features that are already there.

This market already exists for things like enabling Navigation on VW/Audi cars. People were offering to enable the hidden Android Auto support on my Porsche Macan for $600, which I almost went for until I found the scripts and instructions to do it myself.

$600 is not cheap. What model year do you have? Does Porsche not provide an update or possibility to upgrade.

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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I'm torn. On one hand, I absolutely think that a capability available in the vehicle/device when you purchased it should be available for you to use, and not behind a software lock (heated seats, etc). On the other hand, an "upgrade" or 100% new software delivered via OTA (self driving, etc) seems a little more like it should be a separate thing.

You can make the same argument that pirating software is ok

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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I'm torn. On one hand, I absolutely think that a capability available in the vehicle/device when you purchased it should be available for you to use, and not behind a software lock (heated seats, etc). On the other hand, an "upgrade" or 100% new software delivered via OTA (self driving, etc) seems a little more like it should be a separate thing.

Cory Doctrow recently wrote a good piece about it here. Cars are going down the renting model, not the ownership model and it sucks.

https://pluralistic.net/2023/07/24/rent-to-pwn/

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Wait a minute... heated seats are software locked on Teslas? WTF guys?

As are the footwell lights, fog lights, and premium audio. Heated front/rear seats have been standard equipment since 2020 I believe.

That's not true. The fog lights and premium audio both require hardware retrofits.

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Pretty sophisticated attack vector: low voltage attack on AMD secure execution environment during boot. I wonder how many tries you need to get whatever bits you need in the right place. Also, I imagine you only need to cut 12V wires to do this, but I admire the willingness to get in there direct on these systems. I'd be a little nervous to make those cuts personally. Buried in the article is the claim that this will…

Just like we used to have cable box guys willing to sell you an unlocked box for premium channels, we are eventually going to have feature unlock guys that you go do and for a small fee perform some slightly more technical hack to enable features that are already there.

Let me tell you what's wrong with this:

Nothing.

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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That can't be legal? Not in the EU, anyway.

Are you saying dash cams are illegal broadly there?

Dash cams are much more tightly regulated in the EU than elsewhere (you become a Data Processor and have all the responsibilities that comes with that).

Private ANPR in public spaces is unlawful in I think every EU state?

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Pretty sophisticated attack vector: low voltage attack on AMD secure execution environment during boot. I wonder how many tries you need to get whatever bits you need in the right place. Also, I imagine you only need to cut 12V wires to do this, but I admire the willingness to get in there direct on these systems. I'd be a little nervous to make those cuts personally. Buried in the article is the claim that this will…

Semi related question I suppose. Do the Teslas simply use GPS for their location information? If so, couldn't one spoof the GPS using a hackRF or similar?

Targeted by the FCC seems worse than violating a Tesla clickwrap agreement.
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