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Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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And also, to switch back to Firefox

Who has been mismanaged for at least a decade and depends on Google to pay their bills.. I'm a FF user since the early 00's and Firefox will mostly not go away because Google has an interest in using it against monopoly accusations but the reality is bleak.. And the reality is these people ( Google in this case ) are so far removed from any moral compass about the Web ( at least what most people here think of "the We…

None of that should prevent anyone from using Firefox. There are no alternatives, nearly all other browsers are built on Chromium.

Making FF more prominent will not give Google more power, it will give Mozilla more power to negotiate better deals with Google and Bing to become the default search engine, because in the world of browsers, that's what pays the bills.

Giving more power to Mozilla hinges on them having a larger user-base so their voice is heard on these technical issues.

I'm tired of people complaining about how much better they could do "if only" this, or that FF was % slower on some tasks 10 years ago.

Firefox is a better alternative. It's the only alternative, and we can make more demand on its direction if we actually use it.

It doesn't mean that we shouldn't hold Mozilla to higher standards, but if we keep waiting for them to be perfect before we will consider using and pushing FF, we're just going to lose the only alternative not controlled by Google or Microsoft.

It's Firefox here and now. There probably won't be a tomorrow otherwise. Google is making that very clear.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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One thing about this that I don't understand is how they intend to validate memory without controlling the entire stack (which we aren't even 1% close to achieving on the desktop). If I poke /dev/mem, does that mean Chrome will have to validate every single byte of it's ram? Or does it rely on having a fully locked down environment (maybe feasible on phones).

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately Firefox doesn't have a good UI/UX after all. The last time I checked, multiple profiles support is somehow half-baked.

Multiple profiles is fully supported. It's just hidden behind a clunky UX. Also check out firefox containers which is to profiles what docker is to virtual machines.

Containers are useful, but it's like having a few similar terminal windows open. Eventually you'll type something on the wrong window... at least I found myself searching for personal stuff on my work Google container.

With profiles I can have different bookmarks, extensions, and even a different theme so I'm aware I'm on my personal profile, not on a work profile. Since switching profiles on Firefox + macOS is a pain in the butt, I use 2 different Firefox channels (stable + dev).

Anyway, containers are nice, but they're not a replacement for profiles.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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I've heard time and time again how this is "the end of the free web". Can someone succinctly explain how this is the case, for somebody not familiar with web browser architecture? What does WEI provide that wasn't previously possible?

Future web will require you to have certified browser - Chrome ™, to access the web. It will require certified OS Windows™, running on trusted Hardware TPM™, running trusted firmware CIA™. You'll have no choice and your love will be mandatory. This won't stop malware of course. However a skull clamp will be installed to monitor your thoughts and you will be zapped if undesirable thoughts are detected. Note: it's a hy…

Can Google really do this? What if I'm using Safari on OS X, or Firefox on Linux?

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Can't we make a intranet of our own? yes im being stupid right now but i dont want wei or anything like that, if we power users can create something like the internet where there are multiple websites and stuff like it was in the old days i don't know what im talking clearly but i think y'all understand me

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who has been mismanaged for at least a decade and depends on Google to pay their bills.. I'm a FF user since the early 00's and Firefox will mostly not go away because Google has an interest in using it against monopoly accusations but the reality is bleak.. And the reality is these people ( Google in this case ) are so far removed from any moral compass about the Web ( at least what most people here think of "the We…

I hear Firefox is mismanaged all the time, but it seems to be a perfectly fine browser for the most part. I hear all about sites that won’t render in comments on this website, but they must all be internal tools or something because I never encounter them.

I'm surprised not to see more love for Librewolf here on HN.

It's just the latest Firefox release, recompiled without all the Mozilla telemetry, and with all the settings flipped to more secure/private defaults so all the tracking features are opt-in instead of opt-out.

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation? FTC against Google doesn't produce much results on Google (kind of an irony :)) Have seen FTC going against Amazon because the FTC chair had published prior work against Amazon's practices. Not defending Amazon but FB/Google are a much bigger threat than Amazon.

Citation for what, increased anti-trust activity from the FTC over the last two years? Sure, here's one article: > Private equity deals and transactions in the healthcare and technology sectors continue to attract heightened antitrust scrutiny... > The US agencies have also demonstrated an increased interest in challenging vertical transactions. > In January 2022, for example, the FTC sued to block Lockheed Martin's…

Except they keep losing cases. ex:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-appeals-court-opens-docket-...

Or Judges fast-tracking lawsuits to allow those being prosecuted by the FTC to get things over quicker, ex: https://www.reuters.com/legal/illumina-wins-fast-track-appea...

And I think the biggest blow may actually come about because of the SEC lawsuit that will be heard this upcoming term at SCOTUS: https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-decide-legali..., which will likely heavily reign in the power of administrator judges and the ability for an agency to keep initial fights in-house (blocking litigants from taking fights to the normal courts).

Re: Google is already pushing WEI into Chromium

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As wonderful as it has been to have a platform that the entire world is on at once, I'm beginning to conclude that the only way to get back to the web as we knew it is to go back to the days when only a small, geeky subset of the population spent time on here. Back then it wasn't worth it to create massive amounts of garbage content in order to serve ads to unwary search engine users—there weren't enough of us to make money off of!

I think it's time to establish a successor to the web that we can once again call home. This doesn't mean we need to give up on the web or stop using it—it can run in parallel to the mainstream, a niche home for hackers and techies and people who care about freedom. It needs to be simple, like Gemini [0], but also have enough interactive features to enable old-school social apps like HN or the old Reddit. It should have a spec and a governance process that discourages rapid changes—we've learned from hard experience that more features does not mean better.

I realize this sounds like a cop out, and that getting people to use such a thing in sufficient numbers would be extremely difficult. But I'm pretty convinced at this point that the web as we knew it will never come back unless there's a reset—unless we create a new niche tech that isn't big enough for corporations to want to take over.

[0] https://gemini.circumlunar.space/

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