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Launch HN: Twenty.com (YC S23) – Open-source CRM

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Re: Launch HN: Twenty.com (YC S23) – Open-source CRM

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Can you talk a bit more regarding your go to market strategy ? How will you approach potential customers and what is your pitch going to be for them to get rid of SF in favour of your "untested" product - as how they would see it ? I am more interested in the marketing strategy since I am working on a very similiar problem, but in a slightly tangential software which is monopolising the market. Any advice / insights…

Salesforce is the end-goal but we wouldn't be a serious alternative for enterprise customers today. Our strategy is to start working with companies in our YC batch which have relatively simple needs, and then deliver improvements fast enough so that these companies never outgrow us and have to switch.

It's a tedious process to get off a CRM, and particularly Salesforce, so it's much easier to target companies that are not using any tool at first and grow with them.

Re: Launch HN: Twenty.com (YC S23) – Open-source CRM

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Congrats on launching! Great tool, love the minimal UI and the "coming soon" features I've used CRMs for the last 10 years, starting with an internal built CRM for a bank that I worked at and moving on to the salesforce, hubspot etc.. Here's what I've noticed being a user/developer - Users will always complain! If it takes more than 2 minutes to get something done they'd rather not do it - All CRMs have a learning cu…

Betting on user's laziness is usually a good path! I mentioned it in another comment but I think the way we log activities is something that will evolve a lot with good connectors and LLMs. And once you have the right data logged you can think about suggesting the next tasks, performing actions on behalf of the user, etc.

I've followed you on Twitter!

Re: Launch HN: Twenty.com (YC S23) – Open-source CRM

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Make it extensibe. Usually businesses require this little customization here and there and given you provide the customization points, excellent. OOTB hasn't worked well for me... probably I can use excel then more easily.

Consider Microsoft Power Platform / Dynamics 365 Customer Engagement/Sales for which I'm a developer. Obviously this is a behemot and much more than CRM, but it was born out of CRM! But I want to share things I love about the platform.

The following customization points for power platform goes a VERY LONG WAY to adjust CRM to business needs and I yet have to see a significant roadblock for any customization business has needed:

- Custom tables which are 1st party citizens in all the ways and doesn't have any shortcomings. It supports all the auditing, security model and ability to link to first party tables and other way around.

- Custom attributes for 1st party tables.

- Robust Plugin-Architecure - everything is a message (API calls, CRUD, special operations, etc) - I can "plug-in" into the pipeline either for my messages or 1st party messages and have pre-operations and post operations. I can do sync/async plugin. For sync plugin I can live within same database transaction and make it so that all the transaction succeeds or rollbacks if I choose it so.

- 1st party JS library API that enables limited interaction with the form (show/hide fields, set required, get/set values)

- An option to create own Custom APIs, add a plugin to API and you have a nice extensibility.

- Powerful, consisten WebApi for integration that also supports my custom tables and stuff - CRUD operations and API calls. Can build a completely custom client for the CRM if the platform is lacking somehow.

- Custom components framework - whenever builtin controls/JS is lacking, I can build full-blown control in my choice of JS framework that has particular integration points when hosted within CRM.

As I see it, consistency makes things like that possible.

Re: Launch HN: Twenty.com (YC S23) – Open-source CRM

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I work at a company that uses Salesforce as the system that runs the whole business. CRM barely touches on what we use it for. We use it for inventory, logistics, accounting, customer support, managing our partners (dealers), managing our suppliers... as well as sales. I spent 2 years as a Salesforce developer, and still dabble in APEX from time to time. All of that is context for what I'm about to say: Salesforce is…

Template library.

There should be a template library and a way to do a really high-level business model NODE style work flow and it pulls the templates needed to make that

A NODE TREE builder for a crm would be valuable, if it doesnt already exist - start with "departments" and then have children recommendations for each, such that Inventory is a Child of Receiving and all the requisite models/modules in such....

Re: Launch HN: Twenty.com (YC S23) – Open-source CRM

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I work at a company that uses Salesforce as the system that runs the whole business. CRM barely touches on what we use it for. We use it for inventory, logistics, accounting, customer support, managing our partners (dealers), managing our suppliers... as well as sales. I spent 2 years as a Salesforce developer, and still dabble in APEX from time to time. All of that is context for what I'm about to say: Salesforce is…

To be honest, it sounds 100% like SAP / ABAP. A lot of terribly outdated stuff. But it can do everything you can imagine. If it can't, there's 1-2 recommended products that expand features on top of SAP. The moment your business wants to do things a way that isn't SAP's way, you completely butcher everything though. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17541092

SAP was in such a lucky position in tech history... they did solve a problem that was extra profitable for them, but they got greedy and sedentary on the glut...

And then it just became too expensive for their clients to move away. (i hate that company)

but the marketplace for displacement in this space is still ripe, else we wouldnt be seeing startups like this.

Re: Launch HN: Twenty.com (YC S23) – Open-source CRM

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Could you elaborate on where this sits between a custom Airtable/Notion CRM and something more purpose built like Wobaka, Attio, Folk, LessAnnoyingCRM? Both focus and solve CRM issues for smaller companies. Would love to hear three main items: 1) Which company profile (size, revenue, industry/use-case, etc) is Twenty best suited for and which of the above do you has at the closest target profile overlap? 2) Which asp…

It would sit in the second category. And probably even more on the right than the companies you mentioned on a spectrum going from "agnostic database UI" to "opinionated CRM tool with a rich set of standard objects/APIs coming out of the box" (which doesn't mean that you can't customize it).

1) Building a full-featured CRM is a long-journey. Our strategy is to start working with companies in our YC batch which have simple needs, and then deliver improvements fast enough so that these companies never outgrow us and have to switch.

2) We're focused on a simple B2B Sales use-case for now (log tasks, kanban, etc.). Next we will focus on data integration, connectors and extensibility. The goal is to become the best system of records for the company. That should allow connecting external tools to bring the best of breed app for each category (e.g. customer engagement, support tool, phone). Later on we will eventually invest in building our own Marketing/Support apps like Salesforce did but we're still very far from there.

3) Prior to this launch we only had a handful of people we were talking to so a simple Kanban in Twenty, no automation. And after that, we will remain focused on product development in the coming months so our team is probably not the best example in terms of Sales playbook. But once we want to scale the team and have built integrations, we will likely take the "best of breed" approach I was mentioning above, using Twenty as the central piece to connect Aircall, Braze, Docusign, etc.

(Great questions by the way, thanks)

Re: Launch HN: Twenty.com (YC S23) – Open-source CRM

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post #281

Can you talk a bit more regarding your go to market strategy ? How will you approach potential customers and what is your pitch going to be for them to get rid of SF in favour of your "untested" product - as how they would see it ? I am more interested in the marketing strategy since I am working on a very similiar problem, but in a slightly tangential software which is monopolising the market. Any advice / insights…

Salesforce is the end-goal but we wouldn't be a serious alternative for enterprise customers today. Our strategy is to start working with companies in our YC batch which have relatively simple needs, and then deliver improvements fast enough so that these companies never outgrow us and have to switch. It's a tedious process to get off a CRM, and particularly Salesforce, so it's much easier to target companies that ar…

What was that factor that made YC accept you into their batch then ? What differentiator did you guys bring ?

Re: Launch HN: Twenty.com (YC S23) – Open-source CRM

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License AGPL3. Will not integrate with internal services. https://github.com/twentyhq/twenty/blob/main/LICENSE

Do you have a specific use-case in mind that this license is blocking?

Connect my CRM to an internal system.

Let's for example say it's an AI power assistant for the sake of memeing Iron Man. I want to be able tell openai to generate a function calling method that takes a json schema and inserts the code into "Twenty.com" for data retrieval.

You can construct an alternative scenario with a bank's financial data retrieval.

It's too hard to think through the recursive cases through a network when it's considered "linking" in the GPL3 sense.

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