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Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by SomeHacker44 »

grogenaut wrote: post #273
Night_Thastus wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to have multiple tabs open that doesn't really have to do with "hoarding". For games, I often have a bunch of wiki tabs open at the same time.

For me I just type titles or word back into the browser bar and Firefox searches history. How are you searching/navigating to find the right tab of several hundred to go back to that tab?

Too many sites have useless titles, or URLs that if you go back to you don't get to the same state you had when you closed the window. So, I find that history is for the most part useless. Sometimes it works - but not reliably.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by Digit-Al »

andai wrote: post #253
alpaca128 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. Recently I tried Brave because of all the praise but turns out the browser can only display around 80 tabs on the tab bar and every further tab simply never shows up even if it's in the foreground. I've seen mobile browsers handle many tabs better. I'm staying with Firefox, though I think Brave is probably still a good recommendation for users that don't want to go through the effort of installing an ad blocker…

Not to do a "you're holding it wrong", but why would you want so many tabs that they go offscreen? More precisely, why 100 tabs in 1 window instead of 10 tabs times 10 windows?

It's not something I ever do, but I imagine the answer to your question is that you can easily search for a particular tab when they are all in one window, but it would become a big chore if you had to switch between multiple windows and search each one to find a tab.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by austin-cheney »

e4m2 wrote: post #32

See also https://arewefastyet.com .

As a JavaScript developer my priorities are limited to visual render and DOM access. Going back 5+ years ago Chrome was able to access the DOM at about 45m ops/s on my desktop and Firefox was achieving about 850m ops/s on the same hardware. On my laptop (faster memory) Chrome was getting up to 55m ops/s while Firefox was around 1.4b ops/s.

Now Firefox numbers have remained constant, but Chrome struggles to hit 20m ops/s in my desktop. Chrome has sacrificed front end performance across the board for modest performance improvements to query string access of the DOM. Pretty unfortunate.

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Post by hakre »

alpaca128 wrote: post #162
backendanon wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm old and I code for a living, I have maybe at most a dozen tabs open on any day. I can't imagine needing 80 but now I see why chrome has that new search tabs drop down.

On my main Firefox profile I'm rarely below 1000 tabs. I also use them as bookmarks and backlog, and every couple of months I scroll through the entire tab bar and close everything unimportant. The address bar also searches all open tabs and lets me jump to matches.

No wonder, the tab bar is open only. Managing multiple tabs is a no-go with it, or lets say, a wonderful journey into Firefox UI.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by return_to_monke »

jeroenhd wrote: post #277

That's very interesting! Last time I benchmarked Firefox, it performed half as fast as Chrome or Gnome's WebKit. I should run my benchmarks again! I do wonder though, is this performance improvement Windows specific? It's hard to believe that Mozilla could make up the difference in only three or four months. Edit: looks like Chromium still beats Firefox on Linux: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/perfherder/graphs?highl…

I'd think that these improvements were started years ago but only now enabled

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Post by jzoch »

SomeHacker44 wrote: post #279
seba_dos1 wrote: post #17

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

The thing that I really like in Chrome (which I use for work) is Tab Groups. There is nothing like it for Firefox. Even the "Simple Tab Groups" extension, which is well liked, cannot do the simple "grouping" of tabs in a larger window - it simply hides all the tabs that are not in current use (which defeats the purpose of tab groups, I can just use windows for that). Another thing that Chrome has is the ability to na…

Honestly you are the first person I’ve ever heard that prefers chromes tab system. Check out tree style tabs it’ll change your life. I hate chrome now solely due to it

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by Jochim »

Firefox has been my browser of choice since I switched from Internet Explorer as a child.

However, I've found their refusal to implement or offer alternatives to WebSerial and screen-casting utterly depressing. It's made a number of tasks more difficult and inconvenient and makes Firefox a less useful tool overall.

On the WebSerial discussion ticket, an educator articulates how this decision essentially forces what was a Firefox based classroom onto Chrome. I'll be sticking with Firefox but missing functionality drives users away.

It doesn't help that their reasoning for not implementing WebSerial feels extremely paternalistic and runs counter to the ethos of user empowerment at the core of most open source projects.

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by cozzyd »

javajosh wrote: post #50

Firefox is a great browser and Mozilla is a (generally) great organization. It's my daily driver on all my devices (except my TV ha), it's fast and has great plugins that also work in mobile. Philosophically I'm very much a "root for the underdog" type of person so it makes me happy that way, too. Only very rarely (every few months) am I forced to use Chrome for a site - and in my view, that's a huge ding on the site…

> except my TV ha

I was sad when they discontinued Firefox for my TV (even though it was mostly an Amazon-funded workaround to get youtube on FireTV which went away when YouTube started working...).

Re: Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer

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Post by jesup »

terafo wrote: post #107
seba_dos1 wrote: post #17

There was a time when Firefox felt a lot slower than Chromium, but for a few years now it's been close enough (even if still somewhat slower) to not bother me, while Firefox clearly offers superior functionality and much better performance under high load. The last time Chromium has felt attractive compared to Firefox was a really long time ago. Glad to see it moving in the right direction still.

Firefox is slower for me than Chrome, but that's because I have tab hoarding problem(2k tabs in Firefox right now).

2K? Not bad. My main linux box is running around 7500 tabs in 34 windows right now. Takes about 30s to start, which is fine since that browser gets restarted only every few weeks. My secondary desktop (windows) only has 2750 tabs.

And there are users of Firefox out there with >15000 tabs.

Two reasons for tab hoarding: 1) spatial -- related tabs are close together (frequently open a bunch of related search results; if I come back to them to continue later, they're all together). 2) history -- unlike bookmarks or history entries, tabs retain the forward and back history, so when you return to them you can know how you go there (go back to the search for example).

I do periodically clear out tabs, especially duplicates. The Tab Stats extension by glandium is very handy for tab hoarders

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