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Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by mavhc »

jedberg wrote: post #257
mavhc wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's wrong you just counter-notice and it's put back again, does take two weeks though. If the initial person is not the copyright holder they've committed perjury. Seems like it's been rescinded though

Which is an undue burden on legit publishers who get effectively DDosed by big publishers with money. If the big publishers have no consequences, then they have no incentive to stop. If they got ever increasing fines for false claims, then they would have an incentive to actually only make legit claims.

Set up and automatic counter-notice bot to start with, thus annoying them back.

However: Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section—

(1) that material or activity is infringing, or (2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification, shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys’ fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner’s authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.

17 U.S.C.A. § 512

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by dspillett »

carlosjobim wrote: post #251
dspillett wrote: post #215

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> The creator gets zero dollars from you watching sponsored segments, unless you actually go and buy the product using their promo code. So you are not helping them, only wasting your time. That feels like a deliberate misrepresentation of how sponsorship works. The sponsors are not paying directly for viewings or sales (though number of eyeballs is one consideration in negotiating the worth for a sponsored block) bu…

> The sponsors are not paying directly for viewings And in that case you are not contributing by watching the ads. There's also a ton of sponsorship where the creator has a referral code that the viewer uses to purchase a product. In these cases they make money if you buy the product. If you're not going to buy anything, you are not helping the creator at all by watching any ads. Your are better off just blocking the…

They are effectively paying for viewings, they are just not directly paying for viewings. How do you know you will never be interested in something if you are never told things exist?

Of course, if you are so anti-advert that you can't accept the slightest possibility that a sponsor segment relevant to the clip you are consuming can't ever possibly be of interest to you, or you'd avoid it even if it would otherwise interest you simply because you were informed about it by a sponsor segment, then yes, automatically skipping won't make any difference. But I consider that thought process to be somewhat blinkered, perhaps even reductio ad absurdum.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by dspillett »

dcow wrote: post #247
dspillett wrote: post #209

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If it is the same advert I've seen many times for one of those casual games that all look the same (battle of the tanks, tank war, waring tanks, battling tanks, fantasy tanks, tank fantasy, …) then that isn't even relevant to what I'm watching (I wonder how much they pay for a spot on an LTT vid or similar?) it'll get skipped every time. If it is something that might be relevant but I'm already aware (either I alread…

It’s not that it’s a hardship to press right a few times, it’s more that I’m trying to understand, academically, how to make a “respectful” skipping tool. Because I believe both that in-content ads are the most user respecting ads and deserve better engagement/treatment than “universally skip”, but also that users are not morally obligated to consume ads even for ad-sponsored content (is’t the advertiser’s, and only…

> it plays every new sponsorship pitch once

Perhaps once in a specified amount of time. Every two weeks? Sometimes I forget things and a reminder isn't inappropriate. Spread over all channels if possible, rather than once per channel per period.

Also rather than silently skipping, perhaps a couple of seconds pause with “sponsor segment for skipped” displayed, at least as a default the individual users can switch off.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by EchoReflection »

Jenk wrote: post #230
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189

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> geofences Geofences are a great way to start copyright reform. Bobby from Zambezia downloaded your new X-heroes movie, and you're complaining about piracy losses? How can you claim losses, if you're geofencing your content and don't want Bobby's money?!

I think having exclusive distribution rights within geographies is one such usecase for geofencing. This is why Netflix et al may have content available in some zones but not others.

The Internet is too global/ubiquitous (except in evil shitty countries like North Korea, China) to make dividing content availability by region realistic in the long run.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by 542354234235 »

vasco wrote: post #265
542354234235 wrote: post #254

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>also the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2 German soldiers killed on the Eastern Front before the final battles of 1945: 2,742,909. On the Western Front, the Balkans, Africa, Italy, and Northern Europe: 640,541. I'm no mathematician, but but it seems like it wouldn't have been possible without Russians killing over 75% of the German soldiers and then marching…

Lets say I rephrase to: >also one of the reasons most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2 How does that invalidate my argument? What is your alternative explanation for why the US has outsized impact on laws in europe today?

First, you directly stated that the US involvement in WWII was the only reason Europe has freedom and that "is something europeans forget", which is wrong and invalid.

Second, while it is true that US power projection through the military is one of the ways it influences other countries, including in Europe, it isn’t the only way. The US dollar is the most held reserve currency in the world and is the standard for exchange in almost every country, outside of Russia, China, etc., means that most international economic activity passes through US financial institutions. That gives the US a lot of influence, as it means you cannot stray too far afield of US legal norms without risking those trading abilities. When the US pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal and reimposed sanctions, it was the only country doing it, but European trade with Iran also went to almost zero because it was impossible to do business without touching a US bank at some point.

Third, the US bases and military presence in Europe was because of the cold war, not because of anything the US did in WWII. Since WWII wasn’t fought in America, its logistics, manufacturing, etc. were intact, compared to the rubble that was Europe. NATO, basing agreements, the US outsized military spending, etc. were to counter the only other super power, the USSR, and prevent Europe from falling under the iron dome. It was also to prevent the intra-European military competitions and arms races that fueled interstate wars for the previous 1,000 years.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by Jenk »

EchoReflection wrote: post #284
Jenk wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think having exclusive distribution rights within geographies is one such usecase for geofencing. This is why Netflix et al may have content available in some zones but not others.

The Internet is too global/ubiquitous (except in evil shitty countries like North Korea, China) to make dividing content availability by region realistic in the long run.

Given the amount of money and effort going into these constraints today, one must concede that simply isn't true. There will always be an effort to constrain distribution of media because that is how the moguls keep rich.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by hunter2_ »

RunSet wrote: post #253
justinclift wrote: post #76

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> YouTube does implement a trivial sort of DRM/encoding Nope. Youtube break their streams up into a number of tiny pieces so they can adjust bandwidth dynamically extremely easily. It's just the RIAA and friends looking for an excuse, so they've attempted (and likely will continue attempting) to make people believe that's "sort form of DRM". Don't get fooled by their bullshit.

Since an effective access control would by definition not be subject to circumvention, there is no conceivable situation where someone might be guilty of circumventing an effective access control. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/effective An in effective access control? Perhaps, but the DMCA doesn't mention those.

Well, the thing YouTube does (whether you call it an access control or not) does actually have a measurable "effect" on people. It makes those people seek out third-party tools when they don't perceive any other reasonable way of downloading the work. So by that logic, it's pretty effective.

Nothing is ever 100% effective -- even the best encryption is technically a compromise -- other than OTP. YouTube just happens to be on the low end of effectiveness; the third-party tools likely wouldn't exist if it were on the high end. But I guess even slight effectiveness is enough for DMCA purposes.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by carlosjobim »

dspillett wrote: post #282
carlosjobim wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sponsors are not paying directly for viewings And in that case you are not contributing by watching the ads. There's also a ton of sponsorship where the creator has a referral code that the viewer uses to purchase a product. In these cases they make money if you buy the product. If you're not going to buy anything, you are not helping the creator at all by watching any ads. Your are better off just blocking the…

They are effectively paying for viewings, they are just not directly paying for viewings. How do you know you will never be interested in something if you are never told things exist? Of course, if you are so anti-advert that you can't accept the slightest possibility that a sponsor segment relevant to the clip you are consuming can't ever possibly be of interest to you, or you'd avoid it even if it would otherwise i…

I think life is too short to waste any time watching ads, with the absolutely minuscule chance that something relevant will be presented. My time is much more valuable than that, so I have nothing against paying for the content.

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Post by lapinot »

Glawen wrote: post #202
anakaine wrote: post #196

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They need not be proficient to understand that Swiss German is distinctly different from German. Its reasonably common knowledge. Swiss German is based around Alemannic dialects rendering it often and frequently unintelligible to traditional German speakers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_German

It is a dialect, written form is German. It is like hearing French spoken in sub Saharan Africa, it is hard to grasp but eventually you get it

> It is a dialect, written form is German.

Both things are wrong. It's not a dialect in the sense that it is not the same language with special intonation, some new words and new idiomatic sentences. It has its own (much simpler) conjugation and declension scheme. Much closer in feel to a creole.

Its written form is also not german. Good luck reading some of the züri by mike comic strips as a german reader.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Post by josephcsible »

vasco wrote: post #158
calcifer wrote: post #155

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> the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2 That thought is the result of decades of successful US propaganda. The people who actually lived through WW2 in Europe thought different. This poll [1] asked: "In your opinion, which nation contributed the most to Hitler's defeat?" [1] https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/sondage...

So you agree that somehow the US has a stranglehold on Europe if they were able to make the continent believe what you say is a lie. Maybe you don't think it comes from WW2 or them having the biggest army, but then what is your explanation? Europe bends over just because? The USA has military bases all over Europe with people and missiles. That started with WW2. How would they not have huge influence on what we do? N…

> No european country has a random military base in Ohio or whatever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_oversea... says that Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Singapore (admittedly not European), and the United Kingdom all have military bases in the US.

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