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France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Well... industry taps into all your mic, gps and image library to send you personalized ads, and no one has really called it out, except be surprised when the ad shows up a minute after mentioning a product.. this to me sounds like tapping into the existing frameworks. likely the app providers giving access if not the phone manufacturer themselves.

Exactly. These things are literally designed to be spying devices with little or no user access. That was the goal.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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what is "our" government? this site is worldwide..

Y Combinator is an American company and the website is hosted in the US.

This article is about France tho.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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I have some family who are dispatchers (not in the US), and they have the ability to immediately get location data directly from providers if they think somebody is in imminent danger. They can’t do it to track a suspect (not without a warrant), but they would regularly do it for suspected suicides, or when a caller communicated they were in danger but failed to give their location for what ever reason. I wouldn’t be…

That’s for the person who is actively calling 911 though, not a random persons phone.

In the cases I’m familiar with it was often used for other people calling in suspected suicide attempts (or other types of self harm, or drug overdoses, ect…)

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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> If someone actually thinks that, then where do you go from there. People who believe in ACAB for the most part do not believe the current system can be reformed and are police abolitionists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_abolition_movement

I don't think that's true at all, most people I've come across use it in an off-handed way to express solidarity with victims of police violence, or their general distaste for racialised and/or militarised policing. Full-fledged abolitionism is rare.

They really say it because they hung around in left-wing spaces for a few months in 2016, and it's vaguely anti-authoritarian. It's the same place they got "tankie" from, although they think it has something to do with Tienanmen Square.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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For the camera your best bet is to just put a physical cover. There are a lot of sliding adhesive ones you can buy online that are convenient. I stick them on laptops as well, especially work-issued laptops. For the microphone ... ideally build and install LineageOS yourself on an Android device. Don't trust iOS or Google's official Android builds, they have closed source software that may have France-specific backdo…

From what I've read, the current theory is that access is initially possible using the cellular modem. Building and running a custom Android wouldn't necessarily help in that case, because the modem/baseband firmware is completely isolated and runs independently of the OS. It seems like general camera/audio recording would need a secondary exploit. https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/219230/where-is-...

Hm. I wonder how much work it would take to desolder the microphone and add a physical switch for it. Or maybe a magnetic reed switch in series with the microphone so I don't need to drill extra holes in the phone enclosure -- just hold a magnet up to the phone when I want to use the microphone.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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They could at least have the decency to just secretly do it and then pretend like they aren't, like our government does. This is why physical switches and removable batteries are the only way forward.

> and removable batteries

Probably that's why the batteries are not removable in the phones...

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Saying all cops are anything is exactly the same thing as saying all blacks are thieves, all Jews are greedy, or any of the other blanket statements that can never apply to any large group of people. It’s disgusting.

> Saying all cops are anything is exactly the same thing as saying all blacks are thieves,

If you think that's true, you don't understand how racism works. People choose to be cops every day. It's irrelevant what black people choose.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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They may have access to backdoors in the baseband firmwares. The baseband is an opaque binary blob that operates outside of the phone's main OS, and its contents are usually considered a trade secret by the manufacturer since it handles low-level hardware interactions with the main radios/etc. Personally, I would be surprised if those systems weren't compromised by agreement. It's already common to see criminals and…

> It's already common to see criminals and dissidents get busted because they think that turning a phone off stops it from reporting location data. That’s an incredible claim to make with no source. It seems unreasonable to suspect Apple and google would allow some chips they don’t access to battery even when powered off.

Why would you have a source if the tech is "secret"?

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Absolutely not. It's a profession, every cop out there can just... not be a cop. Comparing that to skin color or someone's ethnicity is absolutely ridiculous.

Technically speaking, all cops can’t be bad, so the phrase is pretty dumb anyways even if one has issues with their country’s policing system.

> Technically speaking, all cops can’t be bad

What technique are you using? Who was the good concentration camp guard?

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #59

From an opsec standpoint, would leaving the phone in airplane mode and turning off location services effectively block access to the phone? From my understanding airplane mode disables the sim, wifi, gps, and bluetooth entirely, but it's possible to re-enable wifi, gps, and bluetooth. It's something I got into the habit of doing because my phone searching for 4g cellular data ate into my battery.

I'm not sure what phone you have, but the WiFi on my phone works fine in "Airplane mode"
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