Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor? • Hacker News Board

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by doublepg23 » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:26 AM UTC

stock_toaster wrote: post #269

wkat4242 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I love my 4K 24" monitor but nobody seems to be making them anymore :'( especially at this price point ($250). It's the minimum DPI I'd consider HiDPI. Really worried about it breaking at some point. I wish I had bought two. 27" 4K just won't cut it. And I don't want a monitor that big anyway.

My Dell P2415Q is thankfull still kickin' (knock on wood). I have had my eye on an LG[1] out there at 24" 4k (currently about 300usd) -- as that size/resolution has been the sweet spot for me for the last few years. I'm planning to pick one of these up and stick it in a closet just to have on hand in case the Dell dies on me. [1]: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LPNKFK0

Wow that Dell P2415Q looks very tempting for replacing my junk 1080p 24” work gave.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by InvaderFizz » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:26 AM UTC

closeparen wrote: post #145

I switched from a pair of 27" 4K to a 34" Ultrawide and I like it but I miss the pixel density. Hope we get a "Retina" Ultrawide before too long.

I have the Alienware 38" Ultrawide. The ratios are just slightly off for my eyes comfort. At a full 1:1 pixel ratio, the text is too small. Scaled up slightly the size is right, but the blur is really annoying. I think it would be prefect for me if it were like 45" with the same resolution, or if it were still 38" but instead of being 3840, native it was 3200 or something like that.

If I scale it to 50%, it looks phenomenal, but who wants to work on a screen with the equivalent real estate of 1920x720?

I now spend most of my time on the built in display of my 16" M1 MBP. The text sizing is fine for me.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by anon373839 » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:28 AM UTC

bentcorner wrote: post #59

I wonder what impact Apple's VR headset is going to have in, say, 10 years. Hopefully prices for their headsets as a complete unit will have dropped, and at that point, while I'm no optical scientist, we must be approaching the limits of eye clarity, no? So eventually VR headsets will offer effectively 360 degrees of "monitor" that can't be matched by any panel, and the only actual pixels they will need to produce ar…

Unless they can manage to shrink the headset to the weight of a pair of glasses, I don’t see this as competition for monitors. Just to name one out of dozens of issues: if you have your face supporting a heavy VR mask for hours a day, it’s really going to show after a few years.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by walterbell » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:28 AM UTC

alanbernstein wrote: post #248

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

Can you elaborate on the kvm/switching feature? My current monitor is awful for that, I really just want a dedicated "cycle input" button. Or ideally, an N-position slider switch, but I can't imagine anyone would ever build such a thing.

Software hotkey/gesture can select monitor input via DDC, https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/hm2mvk...

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by doublepg23 » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:28 AM UTC

diziet wrote: post #105

I think there are three groups of people with opinions regarding 120Hz vs 60Hz refresh rate. Group 1 can tell the difference between the two and strongly prefers 120Hz. Group 2 can't tell the difference between the two and prefers the more affordable options. Group 3 has not done a lot of comparisons between the two refresh rates, or has used 120Hz displays that were actually in 60Hz mode, or compared lower resolutio…

I love 120Hz on my iPad Pro for general responsiveness (though the response time is dreadful) and 120Hz on my LG OLED for gaming but I’m frankly just blind and will take 4K on 27” at 200% scaling any day for desktop work.

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by bas3l1ne » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:28 AM UTC

stock_toaster wrote: post #269

wkat4242 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I love my 4K 24" monitor but nobody seems to be making them anymore :'( especially at this price point ($250). It's the minimum DPI I'd consider HiDPI. Really worried about it breaking at some point. I wish I had bought two. 27" 4K just won't cut it. And I don't want a monitor that big anyway.

My Dell P2415Q is thankfull still kickin' (knock on wood). I have had my eye on an LG[1] out there at 24" 4k (currently about 300usd) -- as that size/resolution has been the sweet spot for me for the last few years. I'm planning to pick one of these up and stick it in a closet just to have on hand in case the Dell dies on me. [1]: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LPNKFK0

I've got two of the P2415Q's and will probably keep using them until they kick the dust. Every 6 months or so I look at monitors and anything with an equivalent or higher DPI is too expensive for me to justify ($1200+ per monitor)

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by Aaargh20318 » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:30 AM UTC

manderley wrote: post #132

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 2560x1440 equivalent looks tack sharp on macOS. It renders at 5120x2880 and scales it down to native, as I said it’s effectively supersampling. I used this for years and never experienced a blurry image. I now run a 5k2k monitor, also at a fractional scale and again it looks excellent.

It very obviously is blurry, though. There's a reason so many people notice this issue, you're not going to be able to explain it away.

I have eyes, and recently updated subscription glasses, I can see what it looks like and it’s tack sharp.

Are you sure you aren’t confusing Window’s terrible font rendering with sharpness?

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:34 AM UTC

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

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Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by wesapien » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:35 AM UTC

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

Does the refresh rate go higher if you configure it to 4k or 2k?

Re: Can Dell’s 6K monitor beat their 8K monitor?

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Post by kimburgess » Tue, Jul 04, 2023, 4:36 AM UTC

LoganDark wrote: post #150

111111IIIIIII wrote: post #85

I just purchased 2 of the 6Ks and I am keeping both. AMA. I do not understand the complaints about pixel density. The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. I am using them in a dual display configuration with an M1 Macbook Pro via TB4 and a Windows PC with an RTX 4090 via DisplayPort. The KVM feature makes switching back and forth a breeze. I am using 175% scaling (in Windows)…

> The display is 223 ppi, which is the same or slightly higher than Apple displays. For context, my MacBook from 2015 had a PPI of 220, so this comment is extremely accurate.

Forget 4K, 6K, or 8K. Pixel density is the spec when considering any display. It doesn't matter if it's a wearable, phone, laptop, monitor, TV, or stadium wrapping LED surface, the only important factors for resolution are the distance to the viewer's eyes and the distance between the pixels.

For context, 20/20 vision is the ability to perceive 1 arcminute of angular resolution. Beyond that point there are diminishing returns.

To see what this looks like for different viewing distances: https://www.desmos.com/calculator/dtrszipgmd (black line is mm, red line in freedom units, green is 220PPI reference).