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How the great firewall of China detects and blocks fully encrypted traffic [pdf]

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Post by porridgeraisin »

chanind wrote: post #187
helen___keller wrote: post #50

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When I was in China in 2019, the VPN built into google fi actually got me around the GFW with zero effort. I didn’t even realize it until I caught myself checking American social media unhindered. My experience is most younger and tech savvy people have a VPN. It’s common / casual, like speeding your car by 10mph on the highway. Most people are not persecuted for using a VPN, I assume that’s reserved for people who t…

The reverse is true as well. I traveled in India with a friend from China who used their Chinese sim card in India, and their data was censored through the firewall. Really annoying to be outside China and not able to use Google maps.

Mostly that's india blocking Chinese comms.

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Post by noduerme »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #270
pawelos wrote: post #178

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Israel no longer gives you any visa stamps in passport. https://www.touristisrael.com/the-israeli-passport-stamp/974...

But your passport is still tainted if you use any Israeli land crossing--they see the stamp from the other country and infer you were in Israel. Unlike what we saw in the 80s in Africa--so long as "South Africa" didn't appear you were ok. The border stamps into/out of South Africa didn't cause problems. The possession of a fair quantity of supplies with packaging in English/Afrikaans didn't matter--but the first day…

"Tainted" is an odd word. Any country that would reject a Jew from entering for having an Israeli stamp in their passport is a country I would never want to step foot in, whatever my views on Israeli politics.

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Post by demetrius »

jxramos wrote: post #259
demetrius wrote: post #255

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Using the same logics, one could say that: - 'nice' means 'ignorant', - 'to travel' means 'to suffer torture', and a lot of other interesting (but incorrect) ideas about what words mean.

I'm not sure what logic you're referring to, I'm simply stating the etymology of the word and other words in its family.

> I'm simply stating the etymology of the word

So do I.

Nice comes from nescius 'ignorant'.

Travel according to the most common version comes from tripalium, a torture device.

If you assume that genocide must be about killing because it comes from a Latin word for killing, then being nice should be about being ignorant because it comes from a Latin word for ignorant.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

hinkley wrote: post #268
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #256

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> I visited Israel circa 2012 and this was true even then. It used to depend on where you were coming from. When travelling to Israel for work a few years back, my passport (irish citizen) was not stamped, but my colleague's (at the time, a Turkish citizen) was.

That’s… were they fucking with him?

No idea, Israeli border security are weird. Like, for the first few times I went there, they treated my like a terrorist (i am concerned that someone may have placed bombs in your bag etc). The last two times, OTOH, it's just been like a normal airport.

No idea why.

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Post by jxramos »

demetrius wrote: post #283
jxramos wrote: post #259

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I'm not sure what logic you're referring to, I'm simply stating the etymology of the word and other words in its family.

> I'm simply stating the etymology of the word So do I. Nice comes from nescius 'ignorant'. Travel according to the most common version comes from tripalium, a torture device. If you assume that genocide must be about killing because it comes from a Latin word for killing, then being nice should be about being ignorant because it comes from a Latin word for ignorant.

Didn’t know that about that messy complexity surrounding the word nice but I’ll just say that feels like a false equivalence in terms of recency of the words. Apparently that word is much older and went through the sloppy unfortunate conversion it has. Good to know about these etymological minefields though, you can’t just blindly consult etymology especially on old words where language has shifted. https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/31368/what-are-t...

Those examples I’m guessing have no record of those who coined them, genocide however appears to have such a record.

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Post by workfromspace »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #256
0xffff2 wrote: post #191

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I visited Israel circa 2012 and this was true even then.

> I visited Israel circa 2012 and this was true even then. It used to depend on where you were coming from. When travelling to Israel for work a few years back, my passport (irish citizen) was not stamped, but my colleague's (at the time, a Turkish citizen) was.

sad to hear this, but not suprised as much. according to wikipedia, turkey is one of the few countries/regions where israel requires a visa from; along with india, pakistan and arab countries.

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Post by lbschenkel »

hinkley wrote: post #144
noduerme wrote: post #123

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Just a small personal anecdote from another country with tight restrictions: When I rented a furnished apartment in Saigon back in 2008, there was an ethernet cable on the table and a piece of paper in English that said "Do not visit websites of anti-government propaganda, or pornography, or news such as the New York Times." Naturally, as the police held my passport for the entire year I was in Vietnam, I was cautiou…

In fact, the US Department of State recommends that all US citizens have a photocopy of their passport with them, when traveling abroad. Supposedly you get in shorter lines at the consulate if you have at least a photocopy of your passport available. You should be able to petition the consulate of your home country to issue you a new passport. I think it may be illegal, but I've heard from people who travel to places…

Reporting the passport lost or stolen is generally not a good idea. Legality issues aside, when a passport is reported lost or stolen then it is marked in the system as invalid. Depending on the country it will be reported to Interpol's STLD database [1] which can be checked by immigration authorities in other countries.

In the end you'll have two passports but one of them is now useless and it will be flagged the moment you actually use it for traveling. It may not be pleasant when you're abroad and the authorities catch you using an invalid travel document.

I guess it makes more sense if you never intend to use the old passport again for crossing borders?

[1] https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Databases/SLTD-datab...

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #183
ineptech wrote: post #180

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I understand where you're coming from, but -cide implies killing.

the "cide" in genocide refers to destroying for example, a cultural genocide refers to destroying culture, e.g. Uighur or Muslim culture

"-cide" is a suffix that means "to kill," as in:

  * suicide
  * regicide
  * fratricide
  * insecticide
  * pesticide
It comes from the Latin word "caedo," which means "to kill." The phrase "cultural genocide" is not the same as "genocide," and indeed the legal definition of "genocide" expliticly says that destruction of a culture is not genocide.

Using the word "genocide" to refer to something other than mass murder - and then falling back to the claim that "genocide" doesn't mean mass murder - is just playing rhetorical games.

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Post by mooxiu »

osti wrote: post #235
mooxiu wrote: post #82

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google, facebook, amazon, twitter, github, you name it ...

Not sure where you get your info, but github definitely isn't blocked. And there is a amazon.cn, just no one uses that crap.

I am Chinese and lived in China until this year if you want to know. For github, the situation is a little complicated, you can read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/v8fv0p/why_is_github.... For Amazon, I mean amazon.com, not amazon.cn. Also amazon.cn's services are declining, almost nothing there.
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