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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by 0xffff2 » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 5:11 PM UTC

buro9 wrote: post #229

acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

WSL2 in Windows means you can just run a Debian underneath and launch a non-snap Firefox from there and have it appears in Windows. Now you get the benefit of Windows power management (and that beautiful laptop battery life) but a web browser Microsoft isn't going to mess with. This sounds hilarious were it not the way I actually work. PS: I'll also mention that VSCode from Windows to WSL2 + Debian is a mind-blowingl…

What is the benefit of doing this over simply installing Firefox on Windows? After you download the Firefox installer, you're done with Windows "messing" with you.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by howinteresting » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 5:12 PM UTC

Hizonner wrote: post #52

david422 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did this many years ago, ran into a bunch of issues and switched back. Tried again maybe 4 (?) years ago and have stuck with it - everything is pretty smooth for my purposes now. I do run into some random issues sometimes - like display drivers randomly resetting. That seems to be the biggest one.

Windows has random issues, too. Everything has random issues. When it happens on Windows, people think it's Just The Way Computers Are, but when it happens on anything but Windows, it's Not Ready For Prime Time.

Yeah, that's how the world works. New alternatives have always had to meet a higher bar than existing incumbents.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by SpaceManNabs » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 5:12 PM UTC

ballenf wrote: post #270

acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

gmail app on iOS refuses to load a link from an email in Safari. It will monthly ask you to confirm if you want to load it in Chrome. If you stick with safari it will load the site in an internal safari webview, requiring a second tap on the bottom to launch in the real safari. Can break some magic link login emails.

> gmail app on iOS refuses to load a link from an email in Safari

> If you stick with safari it will load the site in an internal safari webview, requiring a second tap on the bottom to launch in the real safari

???

Many applications do this, including those from Apple itself. I don't see the refusal here.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by aqfamnzc » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 5:13 PM UTC

dizhn wrote: post #265

mgbmtl wrote: post #141

I get so many support requests of "I clicked on a link and then I was logged-out". They weren't logged-out, they just didn't notice that the link was opened in the wrong browser. Doesn't help that most browsers kind of all look the same.

Thank God for remote desktop access software. My dad's story of the issue is always 100 percent useless. :)

Honestly, for a non-techie I think the "I was logged out" is totally reasonable. I'd bet that a majority of Internet users aren't going to recognize that the UI has changed, especially when they're focused on getting some other task done.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by II2II » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 5:14 PM UTC

acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

I don't think it is Linux per se that is better as open source software. It seems to support a much more competitive market, which is something that busines seem to shun in their never ending lust for growth. And there are good checks and balances for open source. Just consider what happens when a project becomes too arrogant: if a new independent project isn't spawned, one based upon their existing code base will.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by pimlottc » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 5:17 PM UTC

darrenf wrote: post #75

mikepurvis wrote: post #37

Google does something like this with the GMail app on iPhone— you click links and instead of just opening Safari, it pops up a "which browser to use" selector modal, which is really just an advertisement for you to install Chrome.

This is a changeable setting (though obviously it sucks that you have to make a choice to use your default browser). Hamburger > Settings > Default Apps (in "General" at the bottom)

Every time I have changed to open in Safari by default, Gmail magically forgets this a week or two later.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by janoc » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 5:17 PM UTC

scintill76 wrote: post #228

Bootvis wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they must be because Apple doesn't allow a Javascript JIT engine to be released in the app store.

Doesn’t that mean alternative browser engines are permitted, albeit they might perform slowly?

Have you seen a viable "alternative browser engine" that doesn't require javascript support these days?

It is not about "performing slowly" but about getting your app rejected from the App store because it violates an Apple policy of scripting languages/interpreters not being allowed. And also another one that forbids you from competing/replacing the Apple applications, i.e. Safari. So if you want to display a web page you have to use webview (i.e. Safari behind the scenes).

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by tut-urut-utut » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 5:17 PM UTC

0xffff2 wrote: post #281

buro9 wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WSL2 in Windows means you can just run a Debian underneath and launch a non-snap Firefox from there and have it appears in Windows. Now you get the benefit of Windows power management (and that beautiful laptop battery life) but a web browser Microsoft isn't going to mess with. This sounds hilarious were it not the way I actually work. PS: I'll also mention that VSCode from Windows to WSL2 + Debian is a mind-blowingl…

What is the benefit of doing this over simply installing Firefox on Windows? After you download the Firefox installer, you're done with Windows "messing" with you.

The Windows Firefox will be removed by an enterprise security suite forced upon you from your IT security. Or bogged down by antivirus. Luckily for us, 99,99% of those corporate security and IT drones have no idea what you can do with wsl.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by gtirloni » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 5:18 PM UTC

II2II wrote: post #285

acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

I don't think it is Linux per se that is better as open source software. It seems to support a much more competitive market, which is something that busines seem to shun in their never ending lust for growth. And there are good checks and balances for open source. Just consider what happens when a project becomes too arrogant: if a new independent project isn't spawned, one based upon their existing code base will.

If Red Hat or Canonical were in the business of making their own web browsers, I have no doubt we would see similar behavior in RHEL or Ubuntu LTS.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by pluijzer » Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 5:19 PM UTC

Aleklart wrote: post #188

RGBCube wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, Ubuntu is still a level-up from Windows, but it isn't really the best Linux experience - Canonical isn't all that great. I would recommend Fedora if you want the bleeding edge or Debian if you want a super stable system (Or NixOS stable, but NixOS is kind of hard to get started using).

RedHat also has been declared isn’t all that great recently. Looks like only decent operating system remains is MacOS, others are highly specialised, like BSD, box of unfinished toys like most of Linux distros, betas as Windows 11 or ads and spyware infested services upsell platform: android, windows again, redhat and ubutu..

Parent comment mentioned two great disrros, Fedora and Debian to which I like to add Arch. They certainly are not unfinished toys.