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The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by duckmysick »

bnralt wrote: post #170
CommieBobDole wrote: post #123

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> If you told people today that Reddit AMA's hadn't been working for the past 8 years because the company fired an employee then, they'd probably laugh. That's technically true, but that's because nobody today really thinks about Reddit AMAs, because there are fairly few of them and they're mostly lousy. When they employed Victoria, AMAs were frequent and involved high-profile public figures engaging with the users i…

> With the result that Reddit lost a popular, interesting feature and a lot of cultural relevance. Looking through /r/IAMA, and I can't say that I'm seeing that. If you look through the top voted AMA's of all time there, the vast majority are some years after Victoria's departure. Comparing those to the few on there from prior to her departure doesn't seem to show much of a difference, at least from what I can tell.…

> If you look through the top voted AMA's of all time there, the vast majority are some years after Victoria's departure.

It could also be explained by a growing userbase. More users in recent years means more upvotes in threads from the same period, compared to older ones. I checked a few big subreddits that are at least 10 years old and their all-time top posts are from up to five years ago.

Also, reddit changed how the upvotes are counted somewhere in 2016.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by vxNsr »

pnathan wrote: post #205

I mod a top-1000-by-subs subreddit with about 800-900K subs. It has tight rules and aggressive automods. And people like that subreddit. Not gonna lie, if reddit strips our moderation, once the automod rules get figured out by the spammers, the value that particular subreddit will collapse into trash and spam. so, sure, aim that footgun and start pulling the trigger... go on then.

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Post by Stephen304 »

BudaDude wrote: post #141
deelowe wrote: post #64

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Isn't there an issue with instances blocking certain communities on other instances?

Yes but if I recall correctly, whatever you are subscribed to you still see in your feed, even if it’s blocked by the instance. I may be incorrect and if so please correct me.

I think you're thinking about "limiting" another instance, where content from the limited instance is excluded from public feeds but still shows up in personal feeds to those who are subscribed.

Sadly limiting instances like mastodon can do isn't available in lemmy or kbin afaik, so highly moderated instances like beehaw are resorting to complete disconnection (defederation) for now until moderation tooling improves.

One caveat about the current implementations is that a defederated instance doesn't seem to know it's been defederated from, so a stale copy of the remote content still exists and can be interacted with (users can post in the remote community that defederated and comment on stale posts, or even new posts in the remote community that are made by local users, however none of that will get synced to the remote communities / instance that defederated).

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by relaxing »

alexjplant wrote: post #202
sickcodebruh wrote: post #91

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Add drum mixes panned from the audience perspective instead of drummer perspective and you’ve got my vote.

I always mix audience perspective because I usually stand in front of the drum kit when I see bands live. Do most people stand behind them? Am I doing something wrong?

I'm assuming OP is themselves a drummer.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by cactus2093 »

jmull wrote: post #178

I'm almost starting to think they really will break Reddit. When all this started I had no doubt that the protests would come, make their point, end, and then Reddit would continue on its way. But this has been so poorly handled. I think a key to reddit's "success" (such as it is) is that they figured out how to scale moderation -- by getting volunteers to do the tough work for free. I'm sure reddit can toss all the…

> Before, mods could run subreddits as they saw fit, users could choose the subreddits they participated in, and a user can always create a new subreddit if they don't think any existing ones suit their needs.

As a frequent Reddit user I don't agree with that. The network effects of subreddits plus the fact that they usually own the default name for a topic grant a lot of subs effective monopolies.

As a user if I don't like something about a certain subreddit including how it's moderated, the more realistic option is just to not participate in that subject matter on Reddit. I can still use Reddit for other topics but I feel like there's very rarely an alternative subreddit on the same topic which is anywhere near as active as the main one.

So, no offense to Reddit mods, but I really don't think these are all highly skilled, irreplaceable individuals. There's no competition that incentivizes the best people to rise to the top, these are just average folks that volunteered at the right time and now they're mods. There is apparently even a lot of cronyism among the mod community and I have heard that it can be hard to break into for first time mods.

If Reddit forces some of them out, there will be many people willing to step in who can do just as good of a job. It might even be a net positive thing to get new people involved.

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Post by whynaut »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #265
patrickwalton wrote: post #223

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I need someone to make an AI-show filter for removing laugh tracks.

It doesn’t work. The pauses are built into the script. It’s worse, it’s far worse. It highlights that the scripts are usually pretty bad. Classic example of a completely unfunny basic show https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jKS3MGriZcs

As uncomfortable as some of the timings are without the tracks, it still feels a lot more bearable.

If the timings could be adjusted I feel shows might actually be better off.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by Havoc »

marcusverus wrote: post #248
Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

Based on a quick google search, only .004% of Reddit users are mods. I find it difficult to believe that reddit will have a hard time finding competent mods within the remaining 99.996% of its userbase.

>I find it difficult to believe that reddit will have a hard time finding competent mods within the remaining 99.996% of its userbase.

Competent - many I'm sure. Damn near anyone that has supervised people in just about any context is probably overqualified.

Competent and willing to put in hours of unpaid work dealing with crazy people and drama and bickering and spam deletion...less so.

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Post by munificent »

jmull wrote: post #178

I'm almost starting to think they really will break Reddit. When all this started I had no doubt that the protests would come, make their point, end, and then Reddit would continue on its way. But this has been so poorly handled. I think a key to reddit's "success" (such as it is) is that they figured out how to scale moderation -- by getting volunteers to do the tough work for free. I'm sure reddit can toss all the…

> When you're working for yourself doing what you want, when you want, you don't mind not getting paid for it. When a boss is telling you want to do and when to do it, you expect to get paid. Reddit is making itself the boss of the mods.

This is spot on. Reddit's success relies entirely on the intrinsic motivation of moderators. That intrinsic motivation in turn is derived from the feeling of building something of long-lasting value.

There is no instrinsic joy in wading through your mod queue and deleting spam and garbage. The work itself is deeply unfun.

The reward is feeling that if you do that work and do it consistently, then you will create a space where a community of people you care about can thrive.

Now Reddit is sending a clear signal that at any point in time, they can stomp all over your community and kick you out. If I was mod of any decent-sized Reddit, that would make no longer feel safe investing the time it takes to earn that intrinsic reward, when the reward could evaporate at any moment.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

jonathankoren wrote: post #45
themaninthedark wrote: post #18

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It sounds to me like there are Top Mods who want to continue the boycott, with others who don't and that Reddit is looking at giving the other mods a path forward. One of the things I have noticed is that the boycott is not from the users but from the mods of the community. Even if the community had a vote, if you want to boycott fine but they are forcing others to go along with with them. So either they are not the…

First labor strike, huh? Ask yourself, who told you that was true? The strikers? Or the guy with the vested interest in breaking the strike and desperate to find anyone -- literally anyone -- to cross the line?

Strikes can't stop people from crossing the line and becoming scabs. I think that sets this situation apart in an interesting way.

Subs didn't vote on if they wanted to keep posting/moderating. They essentially voted on if dissidents or the minority can keep posting/moderating

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

fluidcruft wrote: post #136
garbagecoder wrote: post #76

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>As if the current mods are any different? People haven't liked this much when I've said it in the past, but I think there's more to this than just API pricing. I think there's a lot of general discontent about how reddit works that saw people more likely to support this strike. Some because it was the last straw, some to watch it burn. While I do think reddit is blundering and taking their free labor and content for…

Admin has been particularly horrible lately. Mods complaining is the tip of the iceberg. Today's Reddit is a far cry from what it used to be. Honestly I do have this sort of feeling that I could care less if it dies.

It’s not exactly new. It’s just that it’s being seen now.

You know the best day I ever saw on Reddit? The day after Trump was elected. The bots and mods and preppanned Clinton themed party made for seemingly ONE DAY of actually unique and genuine content if you could get past all the crying in some places.

2016 is when I learned just how much the narrative is controlled. When they had nothing to post, it was a completely different place.

I’m sure because I dared mention Trump as a date reference some people won’t believe me.

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