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Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by samstave »

hgsgm wrote: post #18
kaimac wrote: post #2

Clicking on the title of the kbin post takes you here where there are more comments: https://mstdn.games/@chris/110553477682106144 This seems like such an unwise thing for them to do that I feel like there must be another explanation.

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He was literally just on NPR defending his position. Stated that there has been no impact to the business and that paying "tens of millions a year on infra to support third party apps is not sustainable" but that he wont be changing any policy changes because they need to find a sustainable balance on the UGC ad model.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by randomdata »

Cerium wrote: post #274
randomdata wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I wrote something especially noteworthy, I'll likely remember in my mind forevermore. If memory loss does occur someday, oh well. Am I going to remember to care? The rest served its purpose at the time, but isn't something I will ever want to look back on again. What do you find so interesting in your old work?

It's not my old work I want to read, it's that of others. Comments are a frequently valuable shared annotation system for discussion on a post. Frequently I will search reddit for answers to questions I have and find a useful result in a comment. Other times I want to get a summary of a new topic so I will find an applicable subreddit and sort by top from the last year to get an idea of what is interesting for this c…

Wherein lies the value of seeing that others read your work?

As the saying goes, work is done for those who pay for it. When I, like you, write comments on sites like these I am the one paying for it. I derive entertainment value for the cost I am sinking, so I find it to be an acceptable trade, but beyond that small window the entertainment is over and the value of what was produced is gone. To keep it around beyond that is just hoarding data.

I can appreciate that one might find value in feeling like they are helping out a greater community by allowing others to read their work. I commend those who see that value. But even that seems fleeting. If your work disappeared without you noticing, the value derived from that would not be lost. It is not the perpetual existence of the data that provides that value.

Although, I think the greater question here is: What value is there in allowing a for-profit company like Reddit to get rich selling the work you paid for?

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by tanepiper »

Today, Reddit has started a data rollback.

What they've done though it go way too far - so far they are undeleting posts from over a decade ago. Reddit didn't actually delete anything, only soft deletes.

In the image posted there are also cached thumbnails from YouTube - those videos no longer exist.

I've already had one trans person confirm there are posts appearing from before their transition.

The IPO is really going great for them with such a huge GDPR Privacy violation...

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by swed420 »

didntcheck wrote: post #211
veave wrote: post #183

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That's impossible. You can't see comments you made in private subs, therefore you couldn't have deleted them.

Which is itself a problem IMO. Discord is the same, but at least they have a tiny excuse (being very charitable here) in that they'd have to add a new UI view for that, but Reddit already has the profile view where a user should be able to see all the comments they've made

Hopefully the top organizers of the reddit strike consider arranging a "delete day" where all subs temporarily go public again for this purpose

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by lordfrito »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #170
Communitivity wrote: post #139

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I am not commenting on whether this is a good thing or not, from my POV that's for each person to decide themselves. However, if this catches on and becomes more prevalent (and I could see that happening), then I'd expect some kind of cyber-vandalism law to be enacted. They can't prosecute based on hacking, because it isn't. But it could be argued you're 'defacing/destroying' digital property by editing to add conten…

> But it could be argued you're 'defacing/destroying' digital property But it's your comment. While I'm sure there's legalese in the T's & C's that you hand over all rights to your comment over to Reddit or release it under a permissive license, that doesn't make it right or just. And I think reddit and other communities rely on keeping up the appearance that they respect you and your works, even if they're just shit…

What's the point of an edit button then, what gives the user the right to edit Reddit's content?

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by OldManRyan »

e12e wrote: post #252
OldManRyan wrote: post #224

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IANAL but having dealt with GDPR lawyers in a past career, GDPR allows you to anonymize user data as in, if there is no link between the user and the data, that satisfies a right to erasure request. That is not what is happening here but it is not as if reddit has no way to keep deleted comments and still be GDPR compliant.

> if there is no link between the user and the data, that satisfies a right to erasure request. That is not what is happening here Clearly not, as the data and links to user profile has been restored. > but it is not as if reddit has no way to keep deleted comments and still be GDPR compliant. They would have to prove that the data is irreversibly anonymized - which is tricky. Say they keep threads by supplanting an…

Yes, as I said, that is not what is happening in this instance.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by comboy »

chongli wrote: post #111
comboy wrote: post #82

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They own deleted data too. If I would be selling this data I would just cleanup all edits and deletes starting from a few weeks ago to a time when the Internet gets bored with the drama. In modern chaotic world usually the best weapon against something you don't like is to just ignore it (there are exceptions of course).

Why not use a bot to automatically post brand new chatgpt-generated fake comments in between edits with fake stuff? Or automate making edits that insert/delete/replace one word with a random word? There's many different things to do that could trash the data and make it worthless for training AI. With the right tools, this sort of automation can also be made very difficult to detect (randomize the time interval betwe…

The data is already there.

People will get bored with manipulations and they can just ignore current timespan.

Even currently, creative individuals is 0.01% of users which is easy to spot with simple heuristics especially given such a small percentage and the fact that false positives don't hurt.

Detecting automated / fake content and silently marking it is probably 90% of what coders do there even without the drama. I think they are pretty decent at it.

Even if they couldn't distinguish fake content, there's a good chance neither could its buyers so nobody cares.

I just think it's a bad fight to choose.

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