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Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by vkou »

WheatMillington wrote: post #198
majormajor wrote: post #140

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I've often wondered why people use Reddit for stuff like this since the information and conversation management and organizational tools seem vastly inferior to most any pre-Reddit forum software. My current working theory is largely that internet search is just broken. It's easier to search for subreddit once you're on Reddit than to wade out into the sea of SEO crap and try to find a live, reliable format on the br…

Everyone uses Reddit because everyone uses Reddit. Most people old enough to remember forums agree that forums were a dramatically better solution, but they're generally dead now (with some exceptions). Discourse is almost entirely Reddit or Facebook these days.

Why do you think forums died? It wasn't because everyone serendipitously decided to switch to a dramatically worse system.

When Twitter went crazy, there was a clear migration path 'Just use Mastodon'[1]. With Reddit shut down, there's no clear alternative for communities to migrate to.

You say forums are clearly superior? Are you volunteering to operate r/seattle (or whatever community you/I care about), and its 100-500,000 users as a phpbb board? I sure as hell ain't...

[1] I mean, there are problems with that migration path, but they are significantly smaller than migrating a large subreddit to a forum. Reddit, both pre- or post-enshittification is still the path of least resistance for running a community, which is why people who put in the time to run communities use it, over self-hosting. It wasn't 'dramatically worse' for the people that mattered.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by snuxoll »

mvdtnz wrote: post #213
epmatsw wrote: post #200

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Sports subreddits are a notable exception imo. While they might get a bit silly, r/cfb, r/nba, etc. are so much better than Twitter or any other public forum that losing them would be pretty awful.

I only follow motorsports so the only sports subs I'm on are motogp, v8supercars and formula1. The F1 subreddit (over a million subs)is one of the absolute worst places on the internet for any kind of discussion. It's totally dominated by The Hive Mind, dissenting opinions are absolutely unwelcome and the top posts on every single post are low-effort jokes, usually jokes that have been told a thousand times before. I…

/r/formula1 is really hit or miss. I wouldn't say it's as horrible as you make it out to be, but the pervasive groupthink of the sport as a whole (whoever is on top needs to be knocked down a peg, Liberty Media sucks, whatever) is certainly strong there.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by killingtime74 »

hayst4ck wrote: post #263
xyst wrote: post #50

Good. This works out for everybody except the brain dead C-level executives that tried to bully indie app developers. - regular people get a break from their echo chambers - VOLUNTEER mods get a break - journalists get their news article The only loser here is the corporation side. Significant loss of value from decreased user activity. Subsequent loss of revenue. Inability to extract as much value from the users dat…

You are clearly feeling very righteous, but I think you should temper your righteousness. You might want to consider that while spez may not be the best human, he has had a commendable commitment to free speech. The Reddit platform has been protecting speaking truth to power, and in this case that power is himself. He has the power to shut down anti-spez content on reddit and for the most part has let his platform be…

If you want to go back to original sin then reddit should not have gone public and installed the investors as the ultimate power. Steve Huffman was one of the founders

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by fineIllregister »

WheatMillington wrote: post #186
ssl232 wrote: post #109

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Where will reddit get enough mods to police the hundreds (thousands?) of subreddits each with tens of thousands of members that are rebelling against the API changes? Blocking/firing the existing mods would make the site descend into chaos.

They are really only going to care about the top tier subs, the rest will be replaced by the community. So really we're only taking 20-100 subreddits, depending on definitions.

Depends on what you consider "top tier". 26 subs with over 20 million subscribers are private or restricted. 86 subs with over 5 million subscribers. I was too lazy to count, but there's several dozen more over 1 million subscribers and a ton over half a million.

I'm skeptical they can afford to lose all those subs or replace their mods.

source: https://reddark.untone.uk/

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by nl_jaded »

dijit wrote: post #225

I bit the bullet yesterday and just called it quits. I was there for a very long time (before it was even “launched” officially). So I do it with a heavy heart, but I don't think there’s any way of going back for them now. Its been a downward trend for literally years at this point. https://imgur.com/gallery/JhsPQnI

Honestly, good on you, enjoy a healthier life :]

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Post by DougEiffel »

imchillyb wrote: post #201
pkju62dqmx wrote: post #66

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You’re right due to the network effects Reddit currently enjoys. Personally, I’ve quite enjoyed using tildes.net lately. I know everyone is jumping on Lemmy and federation, which is great in practice but Tildes feels more accessible to me and for that reason may have more potential to actually capture a user base.

I'd love an invite. If you have one available, please consider throwing me a tildes.net invite. Thanks m8.

If they send one to you, would you consider sending one to me?

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by hotpotamus »

bitshiftfaced wrote: post #267
milkytron wrote: post #11

This is what is needed to put pressure on Reddit. A two day protest then returning to normal is a blip in the grand scheme of things. But if they do not change their API pricing, stance on third party apps, etc, then a prolonged blackout could lead to an eventual exodus. I hope the communities I used to engage in partake in this prolonged blackout.

You know, I'm beginning to think that Reddit really doesn't need to do anything. It might be best from a PR perspective to let these mods kill their subreddits. People will be chomping at the bit to start their own replacement subreddits.

This is what occurred to me upon hitting my first private subreddit screen; if I was an aspiring mod, now would be a good opportunity to found a new subreddit, though I have no idea how you'd draw traffic/attention to it. The other ploy would be to see about getting the admins to turn an existing sub over to you; I suppose they could say it's been abandoned or something to that effect.

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Post by rcarr »

__loam wrote: post #239
rcarr wrote: post #212

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You say this, but it’s only a matter of time until we get AI moderation.

We already have AI moderation at places like Facebook and they still need a small army of moderators. Zuckerburg has been trying to automate moderation for years.

Yeah, but if the tech keeps improving at the rate it has been then more and more of it is going to get automated. And tbh, that’s a good thing. Moderating is a horrible job that frequently causes mental health issues for the people who have to do it.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by jrnichols »

xyst wrote: post #50

Good. This works out for everybody except the brain dead C-level executives that tried to bully indie app developers. - regular people get a break from their echo chambers - VOLUNTEER mods get a break - journalists get their news article The only loser here is the corporation side. Significant loss of value from decreased user activity. Subsequent loss of revenue. Inability to extract as much value from the users dat…

> journalists get their news article

well, except for Buzzfeed, who seems to exist solely to repost Reddit threads with GIFs.

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