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Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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post #257

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You think it's satire that there are people that don't brush their teeth but do drink water?

You could give targeted help to the ones that needs it, it would be more efficient to help them brush their teeth than just adding fluoride to the water that everyone drinks.

How would you target them, and what would make it more efficient?

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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post #225

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Some people lack the self control to use toothpaste regularly. For those people it's beneficial adding flouride to water.

This has to be satire. What sort of incredible self control does something like this require? Where does it end?

You have to consider that these people have lost some cognitive faculty by ingested fluoride so they may not be capable of rational self interested decision-making.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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No, fluoride must not be added to any food or beverage, because it provides no benefits whatsoever when ingested. Fluoride is beneficial only when applied externally on the dental enamel, so that the fluoride ions will passively substitute the hydroxide ions. There is no known biological process that uses actively fluoride in the human body and excessive ingested fluoride has bad effects, e.g. bone damage. Therefore…

Wouldn't some part of toothpaste end up ingested? With strong fluoride pastes (like those 5000 ppm specialized ones) could there also be a risk?

> (like those 5000 ppm specialized ones)

Those also come with a warning to only use it once a week, and to limit contact to 2-5 minutes. At least, all I’ve seen in Germany.

edit: Okay, apparently those I’m talking about have 12,500 ppm, I don’t know about 5000 ppm as I have not seen those.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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As a biochemist, this seems to be a very complex issue that has been unnecessarily politicized. What happened with this report is interesting in and of itself, but I would not draw any conclusions (or make any inferences) from this, frankly.

Besides being politicized, views on this issue will also be affected by personal experience. I've lived much of my life in Oregon, where there is no fluoridation. It seems to be widely believed by dentists here that people growing up in Oregon have poorer teeth and that it's largely because of the lack of fluoridation. I'm not arguing the merits, just pointing out the cultural belief.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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because you're gay, or black, or not Christian, or don't want to be shot?

Or black? Are you aware that there are quite a lot of black people in Mississippi?

What’s your point? Mississippi hasn’t exactly been receptive to the civil rights movement.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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My guess it easier to buy different salt but hard to get second water pipe.

>A Reverse Osmosis (RO) system can remove 85-92%* of fluoride in your water. https://www.paragonwater.com/does-reverse-osmosis-remove-flu...

RO water is demineralized and the pH is impacted. It is not a healthy drinking water outside of occasional use. It is also not appetizing and thus it's easy to become dehydrated.

After years of RO water I switched to spring water due to health issues and I will never look back.

Of course, it is insanely expensive to drink 3L of spring water and so frustrating to not have unpoisoned water from the tap.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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post #279

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No, fluoride must not be added to any food or beverage, because it provides no benefits whatsoever when ingested. Fluoride is beneficial only when applied externally on the dental enamel, so that the fluoride ions will passively substitute the hydroxide ions. There is no known biological process that uses actively fluoride in the human body and excessive ingested fluoride has bad effects, e.g. bone damage. Therefore…

> beyond my power of understanding how this could be mandated There is of course the "that was the plan all along" hypothesis, that mild cognitive decay on a large scale is a useful outcome for control purposes.

It really isn't.

Lower cognition is strongly associated with dissatisfaction and violence, not to mention much lower economic productivity (less taxes!).

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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post #279

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> beyond my power of understanding how this could be mandated There is of course the "that was the plan all along" hypothesis, that mild cognitive decay on a large scale is a useful outcome for control purposes.

It really isn't. Lower cognition is strongly associated with dissatisfaction and violence, not to mention much lower economic productivity (less taxes!).

It's only a hypothesis and all cognitive impairment is not uniform.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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post #178

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Everyone in the Netherlands is using fluorided toothpaste and brushes twice a day, cavities are really low.

Good thing I left NL or I would have invalidated your statement! Actually, I don't know anyone who brushes twice daily.

Why don't you, isn't that a recommendation where you come from? I also don't know anyone who doesn't brush twice daily (I'm from Nordics).
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