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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by jaylevitt »

brudgers wrote: post #119
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #63

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Hold on, XCode is free (without a developer login) you could install that and write the app. You can then publish it on websites exactly as you did and those who choose the appropriate security setting can run it. You have a smaller audience yes, but you can still do what you did. And while this doesn't stop Malware, it does raise the bar a little higher. Out of interest how would you feel about it if developer licen…

> "You can then publish it on websites exactly as you did and those who choose the appropriate security setting can run it. " The need for a non-default security setting in order to run the software is a pretty big difference. Requiring a developer license to work with the default security settings - thereby allowing Apple to unilaterally delete your application from your customer's computers without recourse - may o…

TFA says the default security setting DOES run any signed app. The two non-default settings are tighter (App Store only) and looser (any app).

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by c1sc0 »

philwelch wrote: post #169
moe wrote: post #150

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Last time they took inspiration from iOS we ended up with "Launchpad", an inverted scroll-wheel, and the god-awful "restart all applications after reboot"-nuisance that cannot be fully disabled. Thanks but no thanks.

You like restoring all your applications by hand every time you have to run Software Update?

When I restart an operating system, I expect it to do exactly that: bring my system back up in a state where nothing except the core os is running.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by k-mcgrady »

gergles wrote: post #253
k-mcgrady wrote: post #112

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A license is $99. If you can afford a Mac to develop on your can certainly afford a $99 license. They reason the have the fee is to keep out people who aren't serious about development. If they didn't have it for example the forums would be overrun with people who just signed up to get the latest OS beta complaining about bugs (this is already a problem at $99). People can still develop and distribute apps without ev…

You shouldn't have to prove that you're "serious about development" by paying money to write and distribute software. How many developers started as hobbyists? Charging $100 just to be capricious is not a good move and is certainly not a good omen for OS 10.9 "Tabby" wherein you can be almost certain they will remove the option to run unsigned software (for your own protection, of course! You don't want to pay Apple…

You don't need to pay ANY money to write software for the Mac. Xcode is free. You don't need to pay any money to distribute software for the Mac. Distribute it through your own website. You need to pay to sell through the Mac App Store. I also presume you need to pay if you want it signed. Well that's a privilege. It helps you prove to potential customers your app is safe. You benefit from it so you should have to pay for it.

If you develop an app with the purpose of selling it on the Mac App Store for profit $100 should not be a problem for you.

If you want to distribute it yourself, go ahead. Apple is not charging you.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by aiscott »

pwelch wrote: post #236
ori_b wrote: post #65

" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

No your not. I want my stuff to sync without issues like my notes, contacts, mail but I don't want my laptop/desktop to feel like my phone. Example: Launch pad, is anyone really using this?

I've been using OS X for years as my main OS, and I do occasionally use launchpad. I've got a boatload of stuff installed and I don't always remember what I have. Launchpad provides a nice way of viewing all the apps.

I don't use it everytime I launch somthing (I use alfred for that), but to refresh my memory every now and then.

It doesn't work exactly like I would like it too, but it's not bad, and it's very out of the way if you don't like it.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by callahad »

cpr wrote: post #174

Sigh. Others have hinted at this, but I'll say it outright: I've been a pretty solid Mac user/developer for 25 years (with a 3-year interlude on Windows + ThinkPad towards the end of classic MacOS, when the lack of true multitasking and a "real" operating system just got unbearable). I suppose it's inevitable, but I really hate to see the Mac become just another part of the whole iOS ecosystem. There's nothing specif…

I'm feeling the same malaise. I want to blame it on the Mac App Store, XCode dropping GNU GCC, Gatekeeper, etc. feeling like a slowly tightening noose, but honestly, I don't think that's it. After all, I'm willing to put up with the same sort of signed software model on Android.

Still, if someone can point me to a hassle-free Linux laptop in a MacBook Air form factor, I'll jump ship in a heartbeat.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by aiscott »

jaylevitt wrote: post #278
illumin8 wrote: post #207

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OneNote only comes with Microsoft Office. Which you can also purchase for Mac. Xcode is free. A developer code signing certificate costs money whether you buy it through Apple or Verisign. Want to release trusted apps on Windows that don't throw up scary looking security warnings to your users that download them? Guess you'll need to pay $299 a year to Verisign or some other CA for that privilege. Gatekeeper is actua…

FYI, Office for Mac doesn't include OneNote, which isn't available on Mac.

Which is really too bad. OneNote is among the few windows apps I really like.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by dean »

rimantas wrote: post #254
freehunter wrote: post #239

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As a non-Mac-user, I've always had the impression (from Apple and the general public) that Macs are consumer-oriented devices (or at least non-corporate machines). The only significant impact they've had in business in my view is for creative professionals like yourself, and only because for a while Adobe tools worked better on Mac (which may or may not be the case anymore). Schools used Macs because they were cheap…

And a bunch of developers use Macs because they offer sane GUI on the top of UNIX.

Well, Unix anyway, meaning a useful command line. The GUI I could take or leave.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by there »

nilsbunger wrote: post #280

The magic of Mac is that it's BOTH a great developer / hacker machine (POSIX/BSD + GNU tools with great hardware, power mgmt, etc), and a great machine for people who don't know how to use computers. It's inevitable that the layer for non-techies feels more and more integrated with iOS. Will we ever lose access to the do-anything BSD box underneath? That will be a sad day for me - Windows+cygwin is an abomination.

I can't imagine Apple ever removing the open Unix access in its OS X server due to so many customers relying on it (though I can't really imagine them removing it in the normal OS X either, but who knows). Maybe power users will just have to upgrade to OS X server on their laptops, like Windows NT Workstation.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by toddh »

antidaily wrote: post #80
ori_b wrote: post #65

" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

No, no one wants that (I hope). Read the Gruber preview and you'll feel more at ease. OS X and iOS are not merging. He describes Mountain Lion as "a series of steps toward defining a set of shared concepts, styles, and principles between two fundamentally distinct OSes." http://daringfireball.net/2012/02/mountain_lion

This strikes me as more of a transition period. Eventually mac sales will be controlled completely via the app store and its highly structured sand boxed environment. Gatekeeper allows runtime control. Icloud replaces the local file system. The style guide moves to the ipad side. And in a few years the mac just fades away...
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