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Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by dragonwriter »

macleginn wrote: post #48
thadt wrote: post #28

The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility. With the rise of the Internet, it became easier to source it from more places - with a counter balancing rise of plagiarism detectors. Now with Google, Grammarly and ChatGPT, it is trivial to copy/paste a pipeline with enough entropy to defeat many if not most detectors. I suspect the next generation of tools will be finish this cycle - we w…

Seriously, though. Q to ChatGPT: ‘Was this text generated by ChatGPT? "The ability to 'cheat' on written assignments has always been a possibility. With the rise of the Internet, it became easier to source it from more places - with a counter balancing rise of plagiarism detectors. Now with Google, Grammarly and ChatGPT, it is trivial to copy/paste a pipeline with enough entropy to defeat many if not most detectors.…

ChatGPT (through the usualy chat i terface) is not a SOTA LLM detector (it’s a SOTA chat-style LLM, which is very much not the same thing), so I don’t see what you think that proves.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by CydeWeys »

rrauenza wrote: post #267
gabereiser wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“people haven’t caught onto yet”. You are correct in a sense. It’s not that the LLM is lying. It has no concept of lying. It’s also true that it didn’t write the poem, it spit out phrases it was trained on - attribution omitted. It’s a multitude of authors. It’s also easy to “unlock” ChatGPT to make it play along with whatever scheme you want. If you are not smart enough, you might think it’s an evil plot to take ove…

Oddly enough, "Cottoned on" is actually a legit phrase, not a misspelling. https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cotton-on.html ...and I don't believe the etymology is related to 'caught', either.

... it's not odd, that's an expression that I know and use!

Couldn't tell you a thing about its etymology though.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by bombcar »

kevviiinn wrote: post #207
akiselev wrote: post #180

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It keeps telling me you're a Mongolian warlord from the 13th century [1]. [1] https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Mr_Prosser

Why not both?

Mongolian warlords exclusively use NetBSD.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by bombcar »

masswerk wrote: post #200
yamtaddle wrote: post #192

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The majority of normal users haven't really grasped stuff like how to use the filesystem—and I mean at a very basic level—the entire time I've been computing (since the early '90s). Let alone how it works. I'm not sure it's a trend unless the trend is "more people using computers". More of a static state of most people not understanding or caring to understand stuff that geeks like us have long forgotten we ever had…

My favorite comparison has always been a basic working knowledge of how we go around in a kitchen. We need to know what an oven is, and what a refrigerator is, where the knives are and where the dishes, and what each of these tools are for and how they basically work and how to use them. In computing, we've had a strong trend towards the "magic cupboard", which "just knows" for you what is needed. No need to know wha…

> On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by bombcar »

indrora wrote: post #203
RheingoldRiver wrote: post #107

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Huh what major were you? As a math major we used exclusively physical books and it was fine. There was one time that the professor wanted us to use a theorem in a homework assignment from a book he neglected to assign to us for the class. The entire class collaborated on that problem set and emailed him for help, and he admitted he'd made a mistake and lent us a copy of the book. That was probably the biggest can't-u…

By the time I graduated, 90% of my books were ebooks or pdfs the professor had samizdat'd from the publisher. The other 10% were books the publisher only had physical prints of or which I could find pdf copies from other locales of. > LaTeX I submitted a lot of things done in LaTeX that professors hated grading for the sheer reason that I made them count words manually instead of letting them skim-count based on the…

I just made my template dump a word count and nobody seemed to care after awhile.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by bombcar »

assface wrote: post #119

This professor has a PhD in lactating pigs, not computer science / ai. He should stay in his lane: https://inside.tamuc.edu/academics/cvsyllabi/cv/MummJared.pd...

Now I’m imagining him sitting down with the lactating pigs and asking about cheaters.

And in the darkest night, after the moon has set, the pigs reply.

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by masswerk »

bombcar wrote: post #284
masswerk wrote: post #200

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My favorite comparison has always been a basic working knowledge of how we go around in a kitchen. We need to know what an oven is, and what a refrigerator is, where the knives are and where the dishes, and what each of these tools are for and how they basically work and how to use them. In computing, we've had a strong trend towards the "magic cupboard", which "just knows" for you what is needed. No need to know wha…

> On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.

In this analogy, you really shouldn't know about figures. It's just "stuff", like other "stuff". The computer will know for you what's what and what to do with it… It knows best, after all…

Re: Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP

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Post by Walter75 »

ngngngng wrote: post #185

Is there a difference between cheating in school and hacking school? I think so. I almost never studied for math tests in University. They were all multiple choice and I found it easy to logic out the only possible answer to the question just by looking at the choices. Worst case if I was in a hurry I'd get a B on an exam. I wasn't looking up the answers and skipping any work. I was just arriving at the prescribed op…

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