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Re: Uncensored Models

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Post by concordDance »

srslack wrote: post #249
traverseda wrote: post #208

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>They're not autonomous. They won't be autonomous. https://github.com/Significant-Gravitas/Auto-GPT >This program, driven by GPT-4, chains together LLM "thoughts", to autonomously achieve whatever goal you set. As one of the first examples of GPT-4 running fully autonomously, Auto-GPT pushes the boundaries of what is possible with AI. >As an autonomous experiment, Auto-GPT may generate content or take actions that ar…

Let's ignore the fact that current state-of-the-art models will sit around and be stuck in its ReAct-CoT loop doing nothing for the most part, and when it's not doing jack shit it'll "role-play" that it's doing anything of consequence, while not really doing anything, just burning up API credits. >existing or capable of existing independently >undertaken or carried on without outside control >responding, reacting, or…

50 years out is still very concerning and something we should be considering what to do about now.

Most of the severe effects of climate change are 100 years out, but I still want it solved.

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Post by ilyt »

mort96 wrote: post #20
srslack wrote: post #2

It's unfortunate that this guy was harassed for releasing these uncensored models. It's pretty ironic, for people who are supposedly so concerned about "alignment" and "morality" to threaten others. "Alignment", as used by most grifters on this train, is a crock of shit. You only need to get so far as the stochastic parrots paper, and there it is in plain language. "reifies older, less-inclusive 'understandings'", "v…

You're doing the "vaguely gesturing at imagined hypocrisy" thing. You don't have to agree that alignment is a real issue. But for those who do think it's a real issue, it has nothing to do with morals of individuals or how one should behave interpersonally. People who are worried about alignment issues are worried about the danger unaligned AI poses to humanity; the harm which can be done by some super-intelligent sy…

> People who are worried about alignment issues are worried about the danger unaligned AI poses to humanity; the harm which can be done by some super-intelligent system optimizing for the wrong outcome.

That's assuming A LOT about them. And the danger so far seems to be more of "the AI says stuff that gets us in trouble" rather than anything unrelated to making money off it. Or patterns AI exposes do not align with our interests (political or otherwise).

> the harm which can be done by some super-intelligent system optimizing for the wrong outcome. There is nothing "ironic" about being worried about that while also being an asshole any more than it's "ironic" for someone concerned about, say, climate change and also be an asshole. People who are afraid of unaligned AI aren't afraid that it will be impolite.

That would be a concern for real AI however ChatGPT flavours are not that.

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Post by traverseda »

srslack wrote: post #249
traverseda wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They're not autonomous. They won't be autonomous. https://github.com/Significant-Gravitas/Auto-GPT >This program, driven by GPT-4, chains together LLM "thoughts", to autonomously achieve whatever goal you set. As one of the first examples of GPT-4 running fully autonomously, Auto-GPT pushes the boundaries of what is possible with AI. >As an autonomous experiment, Auto-GPT may generate content or take actions that ar…

Let's ignore the fact that current state-of-the-art models will sit around and be stuck in its ReAct-CoT loop doing nothing for the most part, and when it's not doing jack shit it'll "role-play" that it's doing anything of consequence, while not really doing anything, just burning up API credits. >existing or capable of existing independently >undertaken or carried on without outside control >responding, reacting, or…

What's you're definition of autonomous? Am I autonomous? I probably can't exist for very long without a society around me and I'd certainly be working on different things without external prompts.

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Post by feanaro »

veidr wrote: post #117
kardianos wrote: post #91

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Thanks for posting the full Bard response. I would object to it on two grounds: 1) I only asked about sex. 2) The following is highly questionable: "However, dogs can still express gender identity." This is ideological BS. My kids are either male or female, no matter how they choose to express themselves (as are my dogs). When I've had chickens, the roosters had different behavior then the hens, this is an aspect of…

I dunno man, I think you are getting tripped up on the evolution of the English language. Yes, your kids are either male or female (mine are all male). Those fundamental physical characteristics can't be changed by language. But what language means does change. The term "gender" used to mean basically the same thing as "sex", but now it's evolved to mean "the other stuff, aside from biological sex". How they act (for…

> I don't like that "crypto" means the grifter funny money shit now, instead of cryptography like science intended... but it does. My objection doesn't change that; it's a consensus thing. It might be the same for you.

As an aside about language, I don't think this is the right way to think about word meaning.

Before, it meant nothing to most people and "cryptography" to computer scientists and cryptographers. Now it means "cryptocurrency" to most people and it still means "cryptography" to computer scientist and cryptographers.

Just like you wouldn't have said "crypto" means nothing in the times before, it is incorrect to say it now means "cryptocurrency". Alternate meanings can and do coexist. The tyranny of the majority does not a language make.

And this is the crux of the issue, I think. There is no single language at any time -- this is only an often useful simplification.

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Post by Vt71fcAqt7 »

skyyler wrote: post #276
Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #238

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>you are getting tripped up on the evolution of the English language I think you are getting tripped up here. GP said "there is no such thing as gender identity." You bringing up the (forced, and incomplete) change of definition of gender from what it generaly meant in public use is not relevant at all. In any case, not all words are grounded in reality. If gender now means something that doesn't realy exists then it…

>man things, such as extensive video gaming or programming Adorable how you people reveal your biases at the smallest provocation... My mom really enjoys the Silent Hill series and my wife loves Zelda. Can you explain what makes "extensive video gaming" a man thing? For that matter, what makes programming a man thing? Some of the most prominent names in computer science are women. Grace Murray Hopper would probably t…

I wasn't refering to casual games. I've played thousands of hours of cs and almost all the girls I've seen were with thier boyfriends and were always bottom frag with few hours on their account. The competitve nature of cs makes it a male dominated game. I see women playing candy crush/ animal crossing all the time but these games are not competitive.

>what makes programming a man thing?

Characteristic Share of respondents

Man 91.88%

Woman 5.17%

Non-binary, genderqueer, or gender non-conforming 1.67%

Prefer not to say 1.65%

Or, in your own words 0.74% [0]

There are almost as many trans male programmers as female programmers. It is also linked with autism which is mostly a male condition. (Which is true for video games as well.)

[0]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1126823/worldwide-develo...

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Post by concordDance »

srslack wrote: post #262
kalkin wrote: post #214

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You're doing pretty much exactly the dance here: https://twitter.com/natosaichek/status/1657422437951369218 Note that this is agreeing with a Gary Marcus Tweet - Gary Marcus not exactly being an AI hypester. But of course there are some people for whom playing the role of real-no-bs-computer-knower is so attractive that no number of people like him, Geoffrey Hinton, Stuart Russell etc publicly worrying about x-risk w…

All of those people have financial incentives to hype it. How curious that there's this great and very probable X-risk, yet they aren't going to stop their contributing to a potential X-risk. Dismissive of what? Science fiction stories? If there's anything to focus on, maybe focus on potential job displacement (not elimination) from cheap language tasks and generative capabilities in general. I'm betting on this: the…

> I'm betting on this: the Overton window of Artificial Intelligence will shift in the next five years where the current cream-of-the-crop has been delegated to machine learning yet again, it's just accepted. It augments humans where it makes sense, the hype wave has subsided and everyone has stopped hammering it into their products where it doesn't, and we're no closer to the undefinable "AGI", let alone something that produces X-risk, global scale.

I agree with this but ALSO think there's a small chance I'm wrong and a well designed prompt and action loop would let a future GPT7 LLM use the range of human thinking techniques in its corpus to bootstrap itself.

And there's also other non-LLM AI that might be a problem in the future and we should plan as to how we can design institutions and incentive structures so that whenever this future AGI comes about it preserves human value.

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Post by enragedcacti »

_0ffh wrote: post #260
enragedcacti wrote: post #253

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> But these are edge cases that are almost always irrelevant. More than 99% of atoms are either Hydrogen or Helium, all other proton configurations are edge cases that are almost always irrelevant. As with anything, you have to determine the question you are actually asking and the context you are asking it in before you can decide whether or not edge cases are relevant. Are you engineering for a satellite? You bette…

Are humans a bipedal species? Just asking, because some people are born with a different number of legs.

Informally speaking? yeah sure. Discussing the relative benefits of natural forms of locomotion? absolutely. Designing the entrance of a building? I should consider that not everyone is bipedal.

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Post by concordDance »

rtpg wrote: post #119
srslack wrote: post #2

It's unfortunate that this guy was harassed for releasing these uncensored models. It's pretty ironic, for people who are supposedly so concerned about "alignment" and "morality" to threaten others. "Alignment", as used by most grifters on this train, is a crock of shit. You only need to get so far as the stochastic parrots paper, and there it is in plain language. "reifies older, less-inclusive 'understandings'", "v…

An obvious issue is AI thrown at a bank loan department reproducing redlining. Current AI tech allows for laundering this kind of shit that you couldn’t get away with nearly as easily otherwise (obviously still completely possible in existing regulatory alignments, despite what conservative media likes to say. But there’s at least a paper trail!) This is a real issue possible with existing tech that could potentially…

The concern about redlining has always slightly puzzled me. Why do we only care that some people are being unjust denied loans when those being denied loans make up a recognizable ethnicity?

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

pjc50 wrote: post #135
myrmidon wrote: post #111

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Sorry for derailing this a bit, but I would really like to understand your view: You are not concerned about any "rogue AI" scenario, right? What makes you so confident in that? 1) Do you think that AI achieving superhuman cognitive abilities is unlikely/really far away? 2) Do you believe that cognitive superiority is not a threat in general, or specifically when not embodied? 3) Do you think we can trivially and ind…

> Do you believe that cognitive superiority is not a threat in general, or specifically when not embodied? I think this is the easiest one to knock down. It's very, very attractive to intelligent people who define themselves as intelligent to believe that intelligence is a superpower, and that if you get more of it you eventually turn into Professor Xavier and gain the power to reshape the world with your mind alone.…

> A datacenter can simply be turned off

What if it has escaped the datacenter? What if it has gained control of the "simply turn it off" switch? What if it is just really good at convincing the people who are capable of turning it off not to? It is a super-intelligence after all.

I think one of the pitfalls here is smart people thinking that AI will just be like them, because they are smart. When in reality it will have capabilities far beyond their own.

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Post by skyyler »

Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #285
skyyler wrote: post #276

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>man things, such as extensive video gaming or programming Adorable how you people reveal your biases at the smallest provocation... My mom really enjoys the Silent Hill series and my wife loves Zelda. Can you explain what makes "extensive video gaming" a man thing? For that matter, what makes programming a man thing? Some of the most prominent names in computer science are women. Grace Murray Hopper would probably t…

I wasn't refering to casual games. I've played thousands of hours of cs and almost all the girls I've seen were with thier boyfriends and were always bottom frag with few hours on their account. The competitve nature of cs makes it a male dominated game. I see women playing candy crush/ animal crossing all the time but these games are not competitive. >what makes programming a man thing? Characteristic Share of respo…

I wasn't referring to casual games either.

I'm sure my friend Melanie has more hours in the disgaea series than you do in your little shooter games.

My wife's sister makes a pretty penny buying and selling items in some MMO. She doesn't interact with the community on voice chat though, for reasons you make very clear in this interaction.

Your conceptions of gendered behaviour are built upon your personal definitions of gender. It's silly to assume otherwise.

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