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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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I love when authoritarian nations just block internet. India did it in Kashmir for a fuckton of time, and it was practically unusable for a longer period (2G speeds). they also do it at even little bit of protests. How dare the citizens protest their own governments, no, no internet for you! ---- The world will be a better place without these govts.

India is particularly trigger happy with blocking the internet at the first sign of trouble in any city or region. Makes me wonder what will happen to the internet - and politics - once generative AI tools are sufficiently advanced and easy to use. It’s already easy to rile up people with Whatsapp forwards. Imagine how easy it would be if the Whatsapp message comes with an inflammatory AI generated video.

It's possible that AI will make lies and propaganda easier, but we're already seeing plenty of people falling for obvious lies and clickbait.

As a simple example, just look at how in the USA, inventor of the internet, QAnon has gained zealous, violent supporters, over a bunch of intentionally cryptic messages and literal keyboard mashing to form a "code".

Look at the Reddit frontpage for an example of how easily people will believe the supposed context provided with a video. It usually takes hours for someone to actually check and comment "actually, this is a video from 2009 from another country" somewhere way down the bottom of the discussion thread. In private chat groups, this type of checking is almost entirely absent.

Why bother using AI when you can take an old video, add a title referring to a recent event, and spreading it around on social media? Good AI is expensive, lies are cheap.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

As a EU citizen I’m a bit offended, how do EU citizens have no freedom of speech?

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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

As a EU citizen I’m a bit offended, how do EU citizens have no freedom of speech?

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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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When people say crypto is the answer to cash, I ask them what happens when the internet is down

There are projects like Phonon from GridPlus which use industry standard hardware to enable secure, private, offline trading of units of crypto. This is effectively digital cash. https://docs.phonon.org/readme

There's also https://kong.cash/ and others.

The need for untraceable and physically usable money is a top priority for cypherpunks and we are doing pretty well on that front.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Yes, but bribes are a fact of life in India as well. (Indian here)

You have 55 countries between rank 85 and rank 140 that are better match to Pakistan than India: https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022 , why this privilege to only us Indians? I read the above comment as "See we are as good as Indians, this is just a blip".

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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

I’ve always felt that its very hard to harbor deep hatred for any people when you can speak their language and share their culture.

unless you are Russian, they have no problem at all as we can see every day (I realize common folks are a bit different from the news image, but any news I hear from within Russia these days just confirms what I stated, and then you have those hundreds of thousands who voluntarily went to Ukraine to kill and steal)

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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post #186

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if you have a large portion of the population running these dishes, it's game over. Sadly this is wishful and overly optimistic thinking. The Tiananmen Square protesters thought similarly. Dictators will massacre their own people

It's not clear how many died in TSquare but it's a few thousands at most. That's very far from the hundred of millions of people China has. A counter example is the CCP backing down from the Covid restrictions under popular pressure. If enough people put pressure, the government will react. > Dictators will massacre their own people You have to be reminded that the government (and the army) are themselves made of the…

> It's not clear how many died in TSquare but it's a few thousands at most. That's very far from the hundred of millions of people China has.

Mao did kill off millions in the Great Leap, with no dissent.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

As a EU citizen I’m a bit offended, how do EU citizens have no freedom of speech?

This is mostly American forum and a lot of members have deeply ingrained belief that proper freedom of speech outside America does not exist.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you suggest is impossible, because you are attacking a wrench on the head problem with a coding solution. You can always get a dish and connect to your choice of orbital provider, if your ISP - which is regulated - is blocked. The problem is, guys with guns will come to your door, beat you with a wrench, and put you in jail. Now if we solve for the real issue - lack of freedom because of a ruling class, the tech…

As a EU citizen I’m a bit offended, how do EU citizens have no freedom of speech?

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