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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Hmm, do they have keyboards that fix up the arrow key cluster? Either all half-height (plus page up/down above the left/right keys) or all full-height?

Half-height should be easy as the up/down keys are half-height already, and there would be no need for new holes. Wiring for two additional keys can't be that difficult either. Dedicated page up and page down keys would be really practical.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Does that require a LUKS unlock step?

I believe so, I remember an article on hibernation+luks being more difficult to set up

it mainly lacks good UI/UX tools to do so and an agreement on what the right approach is, especially if combined with raid

without raid it's not too hard, just bothersome and finding the right information can be annoying

the main gotcha is that lockdown mode is incompatible with hibernation (no matter if it's encrypted or not) and some distros enable it by default when secure boot is used, which is most times the case with a full disk encryption setup

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

#283

I’ll wait to see if they have proper “sleep” mode such that they don’t keep draining batter while not in use, particularly when running Linux. This is something that baffles me about non Apple Laptops how they just refuse to catch up to such a great benefit.. (alongside the trackpad experience which I can may be live with).

Every time I put my Apple laptop to sleep for an extended period, I come back to it completely dead. It cannot even boot for an about an hour while it charges to a minimum level.

a Intel Apple laptop? because they kinda don't care much more about the intel devices they had produced

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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And almost no PC laptop copies that concept. The benefit is simply not that compelling unless you are designing type faces maybe. But maybe we boring PC people just can’t miss what we don’t know. Like Bentley cars or Champagne when we can get Toyotas and sparkling wine. ;)

...or maybe it's just market segmentation to give PC plebs inferior tech? You seem to be proud of being what some marketing exec views as an unimportant low-margin value segment only good for getting rid of old stuff.

I think the actual market segmentation is Apple charging a 300-400% markup for storage. Framework's prices are far more honest and you can always bring your own M.2s as well.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

#285

Hmm, do they have keyboards that fix up the arrow key cluster? Either all half-height (plus page up/down above the left/right keys) or all full-height?

no it's the curse of semi-13" laptops

their 16" laptop doesn't have this problem

they could produce a keyboard where right shift is smaller and you have a full up key but UP/DOWN would still be missing and moving the key further down would lead to other ergonomic problems

You can work around this by switching some function keys with UP/DOWN (or POS1/END or both).

e.g. in a custom XKB key map (you can just extend e.g us, place it under .config/xkb/symbols) you can use following to switch Pos1/End and F9/F10:

key { [ Home, Home ] };

key { [ End, End ] };

key { [ F9, F9 ] };

key { [ F10, F10 ] };

it's one of this "not hard if you happen to know how to do it" linux things

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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> If you're upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you'll need ... a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card. Why does WiFi card need to be "compatible" with CPU? Isn't it enough to be compatible with PCI-Express? Or are there backdoors that do not work with Intel-backdoor-compatible WiFi cards?

The Framework wifi card for Intel is an AX201 implementation, which means the only thing on the card is the RF and the rest of the wireless functions are in the Intel SoC. You can't use an AX201 with anything but an Intel platform because of CNVi.

Are there any technical advantages to doing that? I guess it makes the wifi chipset cheaper to manufacture, but wouldn't it increase the cost of the CPU?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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I'm _really_ tempted to pre-order.

But I need first answers first:

- battery life for normal browser usage compared to the intel 11th gen version

- does Linux works well (e.g. no intel 12th gen integrated graphic tearing problems or similar), sleep power saving not being grate doesn't matter

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

#288

I'm _really_ tempted to pre-order. But I need first answers first: - battery life for normal browser usage compared to the intel 11th gen version - does Linux works well (e.g. no intel 12th gen integrated graphic tearing problems or similar), sleep power saving not being grate doesn't matter

> - does Linux works well (e.g. no intel 12th gen integrated graphic tearing problems or similar), sleep power saving not being grate doesn't matter

Probably not. AMD laptops have struggled in the past. Even Intel Alder Lake works better with 6.2, but I still have issues where it does not resume properly months after release, which was months after Intel released Alder Lake mobile. When I lift the laptop lid, it stays suspended for a few minutes until it wakes up or I need to close the lid and reopen it. Had similar resume and suspend issues with my Skylake System76 Lemur. Feels like it takes years for Intel to resolve issues with their laptops on Linux.

Works better than it used to. Better than when GNOME Settings would crash the system to freeze-haven't had that issue in over a month.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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My X1 Nano Gen 1 has the same switch in EFI. Glad it exists but yeah it’s weird that Lenovo suggests that using it breaks Windows.

I think the idea is that Windows will occasionally not wake up properly, leaving the user to “choke it out” (power button for 5 sec to force a hard shut down, power button to power up). Sorry if you had any unsaved work. Personally, Hibernate works great, doesn’t require any battery life to sustain it, and always comes back with state intact, so it’s my go to.

> Hibernate works great

Seconded. All of these modern "smart sleep" solutions are uniformly worse than just giving me a got-danged hibernate option.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

#290
I really like framework and I happy they are offering AMD.

But I really struggle to recommend Framework after they were unable at this time to fix a hardware issue. The headphone jack will beep when sound turns on and off. Framework confirmed with me that the vendor intended for this and they were unable to fix it because of the parts shortage. It is so annoying I bought a USB C dac to play the audio in.

The keyboard, they minimize way too much, like having to use the fn key for home, end, and pg up/down, as well as insert, I need to press fn+shift+insert to paste something in gnome terminal which means I need to do it for Neovim.

Aside from that, I do like the 3:2 aspect ratio, even if it has issues with GNOME and websites. GNOME refuses to let you snap two windows to each side for some reason. Websites think your screen is too small and so you get the mobile version for a lot of sites.

Still, beautiful screen, excellent webcam, metal body. Needs more execution.

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