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Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by nobody9999 »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #271
rblatz wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder if the first time he drank he chugged a fifth of vodka.

If you did that you might feel bad and be dehydrated the next day but you won't be suffering from psychosis or have permanent brain damage. That's the problem with drugs. They're just not safe in the same way. No matter how hard the addicts cope.

>That's the problem with drugs. They're just not safe in the same way. No matter how hard the addicts cope.

They're not safe because they're illegal and, as such, society can't impose quality/dosage controls.

That said, not everyone should use various drugs. And that generally varies by individual.

Humans have been documented (through archaeological finds) to have been using mind altering substances for 10,000 years. And likely, much, much longer.

And we're (that's a general 'we') not going to stop. The solutions of course, are quality controls, ingredient disclosure/purity and quality information about such substances being broadly available.

But that's never going to happen as long as we encourage a black market for those substances. We've been going about all this (which is nothing new) ass-backwards, IMHO

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by rblatz »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #271
rblatz wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonder if the first time he drank he chugged a fifth of vodka.

If you did that you might feel bad and be dehydrated the next day but you won't be suffering from psychosis or have permanent brain damage. That's the problem with drugs. They're just not safe in the same way. No matter how hard the addicts cope.

A fifth is enough to kill a person if they drank it fairly quickly.

Also I’ve never heard of someone addicted to psychedelics. I’m starting to think you may not know what you are talking about and are just being judgmental.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by happytoexplain »

Waterluvian wrote: post #124
Trasmatta wrote: post #79

I’ve noticed a troubling trend among psychonauts: any reports of terrible experiences or long lasting negative effects of psychedelics are waved away in two different ways: 1 - blaming of the person who had the experience, for not having the proper “set and setting”, or not respecting the drug. 2 - claiming that there’s no such thing as a “bad trip”, and only a challenging one that takes time to integrate. There migh…

> That it’s absurd how much suffering the human mind is capable of experiencing. When I was 8 or 9 I had a night terror that involved some sort of life-sized game of Tetris that was moving terribly fast. My brain wholly adopted the belief that if I were to lose, everyone I loved would die horribly. I was trapped in this night terror for what felt like forever. Afterwards I refused to sleep voluntarily for weeks. To t…

I've experienced this unique "dread" twice. Once when I was around the same age as in your story, but I had a fever. I saw a dot moving from one corner of the ceiling to the opposite corner, and somehow I knew that if it got there, the world would end. Not in a dreamy way - I knew.

The second time I experienced it was during a weed "overdose". I will never do edibles again, nor will I ever do any stronger psychedelics. These two times were among the worst of my life.

This is also why I have a strong reaction when people are kind of dismissive of bad drug experiences. It was very much like a kind of torture.

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Post by dennis_jeeves1 »

lapcat wrote: post #30

Peanuts: Not even once. Says person with peanut allergy. I can't believe that peanuts have a good name and are promoted a lot in some circles! I'm sorry that this person had a very bad experience, but someone with a peanut allergy wouldn't be so full of themselves as to warn everyone off of peanuts, despite the fact that the vast majority of people can consume peanuts with no problem, and enjoy it. Most things in lif…

Great analogy... generally the tendency is just plain human nature, peanut, LSD or other things.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by ancientworldnow »

dusted wrote: post #164

I've had strongly pronounced visual snow since I was a little kid.. Remember asking my parents "what is the thing you see when you close your eyes?" They were confused, "black?" yeah, but.. I know the color back, like, a piece of black paper on the table in a well-lit room, I understand that it's this near ideal smooth surface that reflect very little light of no particular color.. But the thing when you've been in b…

There's a whole German word for that color and noise you see: Eigengrau.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigengrau

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by seoulmetro »

csh0 wrote: post #202
dusted wrote: post #164

I've had strongly pronounced visual snow since I was a little kid.. Remember asking my parents "what is the thing you see when you close your eyes?" They were confused, "black?" yeah, but.. I know the color back, like, a piece of black paper on the table in a well-lit room, I understand that it's this near ideal smooth surface that reflect very little light of no particular color.. But the thing when you've been in b…

I have always had it as far as I know. I have a vivid memory of asking my father if he could see atoms too when I was between 5 and 8. I told him that when I stared at an object long enough, I saw little dots (snow). I must have just recently heard about atoms and mapped them to my experience. Fortunately he understood what I was talking about and said told me it’s just my eyes or my mind presenting me with bad data.…

Funny, I also believe I could see atoms. It works really well when you're outside in the sun, you look into the blue sky (but not into the suns direction) and then you'll see these atoms very clearly and it looks like you're seeing the oxygen move.

This is actually not floaters and instead is explained as the blood vessels in your eyes moving blood. Believable, but it sure does look like you're seeing random "information" rather than just pipes at certain stages of pump.

I can also see things move if I stare long enough. I can see the atoms, I can see the coloured blocks and such. I can also see the eyes "ISO" when in a dark room, I find that awesome as a photographer.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by kstenerud »

klyrs wrote: post #250
kstenerud wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a really bad experience with marijuana. I'd tried it a few times before, but it always had literally zero effect on me (as in I smoked as much as everyone else, they got baked and I felt nothing). And then one day I took a single hit in a shop in Vancouver and was almost instantly hit with brain zaps. It got so bad that I couldn't walk without throwing up, had trouble seeing, and this lasted for hours (from 10:…

By any chance was this "one hit" done on a hot knife at the Pain Management Society on commercial drive pre-legalization? Because I've heard a similar story from quite a few people, several of them heavy users. No warning, and sent on their merry way without checking if they had a safe way to get home. Which I mention because getting lost trying to find home is a common theme in their stories. The people who knew wha…

Not on Commercial... it was downtown somewhere I think (this was 8 years ago and the day is a blur). There was a kinda grungy store downstairs that also sold grey-area mushrooms, and a "bar" upstairs. I remember the proprietor saying that they operated it as a "protest" against cannabis laws. They had these machines that instantly vaporize the stuff.

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Post by sagebird »

Waterluvian wrote: post #124
Trasmatta wrote: post #79

I’ve noticed a troubling trend among psychonauts: any reports of terrible experiences or long lasting negative effects of psychedelics are waved away in two different ways: 1 - blaming of the person who had the experience, for not having the proper “set and setting”, or not respecting the drug. 2 - claiming that there’s no such thing as a “bad trip”, and only a challenging one that takes time to integrate. There migh…

> That it’s absurd how much suffering the human mind is capable of experiencing. When I was 8 or 9 I had a night terror that involved some sort of life-sized game of Tetris that was moving terribly fast. My brain wholly adopted the belief that if I were to lose, everyone I loved would die horribly. I was trapped in this night terror for what felt like forever. Afterwards I refused to sleep voluntarily for weeks. To t…

I had a similar experience.

I was around ten years old, and experiencing sleep walking mixed with nightmares once every few weeks.

My bedroom was on the attic floor, as was my brothers room and a play area by the stair case.

There was a gray and white “queen of solar mathematics” who was like a ghost, following me. She would not let me go back to sleep or leave me alone unless I could trace the floor plan of the attic into squares. I had to walk on the perimeters of the squares only, and if I messed up I had to start over from the corner. It felt like forever, I was more and more tired and making mistakes. I could see my body from above at the same time as being in it, like it was a video game.

Eventually I think I collapsed and woke up at a random spot early in the morning. My brother asked me what the hell I was doing.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by jimmux »

shipscode wrote: post #233
wnolens wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time I talk about my negative LSD experience with someone in-person (even one who is very pro-psychedelic and enjoys positive or growth experiences from it), I receive great empathy and we discuss it, they are genuinely curious and perhaps even recalibrate their own compass. However, bringing it up online (reddit, HN) I either get others chiming in with their negative experiences or I get blamed as if I have ne…

People online are basically parrots, they're just repeating what they've read regardless of who stated it.

Big subreddits are the worst for this. People will repeat poor quality comments they've seen upvoted in other posts because they know it will be upvoted by others who recognise it. Even though the original may have only been noticed because they got in early and confidently.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Post by mock-possum »

This is bullshit. Honestly I'm disappointed to even see this posted here. I mean, as a horror story that convinces people to be careful when they experiment with drugs, maybe it has some value.

But as a description of a reasonable approach to trying LSD? Come on. He should've started with 1/10th that dose, especially considering his bad experiences with shrooms. This is asinine. It's like throwing yourself into the deep end of the pool, not knowing how to swim, and then accusing everyone else in the pool of being assholes for making you drown. Come on dude.

I've tried Codeine recreationally, a couple of times, and it gives me the spins - the nausea just isn't worth the trip. Knowing this, do I try an epic dose of Morphine? No, of course I don't. Do I make angry blog posts whining that everyone has lied to me about how good narcotics feel? No, I also do not do that.

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